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B J Foster
July 20th 03, 12:03 PM
Newscorp: "History will prove us right"
(http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6775776%255E401,00.html)

Bliar: "History will forgive us"
(http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/archive/18-7-19103-1-17-53.html)

Okay, so let's assume that it will. Why? And why did Mr Bliar feel it
necessary to lie to the public? Are we defending democracy by
undermining democracy?


Another Bliar special:
"The arms the Taliban are buying today are paid for with the lives of
young British people buying their drugs on British streets. That is
another part of their regime that we should seek to destroy"
(Tony Blair, 2-Oct 2001)


HOW WILL HISTORY JUDGE THIS MR BLIAR?

"Heroin surge looming

POLICE whistleblower Tim Priest has warned that Sydney's heroin drought
is set to end and authorities are unprepared to deal with it. Speaking
before a Federal Parliamentary Inquiry into Crime in Australia, Mr
Priest said that favourable climate changes and the end of the war in
Afghanistan had led to heroin production increasing by 100 per cent".
(http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5262036%255E1702,00.html)

"Hundreds of kilos of heroin are being manufactured each week by
factories recently set up in eastern Afghanistan, prompting fears of a
new influx of high-quality, easily transportable drugs into
Europe".
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,772742,00.html)

"...the so-called heroin drought Australia has been in since September
last year - a shortage that has also seen the number of deaths from
heroin overdoses, fall dramatically.
....
But in Sydney, drug counsellors are reporting that after almost a year,
heroin is coming back. That's been confirmed by David Murray, from
Victoria's Youth substance Abuse Service".
(http://www.abc.net.au/am/s645197.htm)

Jonathan Bryce
July 20th 03, 01:38 PM
B J Foster wrote:

> Another Bliar special:
> "The arms the Taliban are buying today are paid for with the lives of
> young British people buying their drugs on British streets. That is
> another part of their regime that we should seek to destroy"
> (Tony Blair, 2-Oct 2001)

Well, actually it is the Northern Alliance that supply the heroin. The
Taliban are against it.

B J Foster
July 20th 03, 01:57 PM
Jonathan Bryce wrote:
> B J Foster wrote:
>
>
>>Another Bliar special:
>>"The arms the Taliban are buying today are paid for with the lives of
>>young British people buying their drugs on British streets. That is
>>another part of their regime that we should seek to destroy"
>>(Tony Blair, 2-Oct 2001)
>
>
> Well, actually it is the Northern Alliance that supply the heroin. The
> Taliban are against it.

Yes

StephenGoldenGun
July 20th 03, 06:43 PM
B J Foster > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Jonathan Bryce wrote:
> > B J Foster wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Another Bliar special:
> >>"The arms the Taliban are buying today are paid for with the lives of
> >>young British people buying their drugs on British streets. That is
> >>another part of their regime that we should seek to destroy"
> >>(Tony Blair, 2-Oct 2001)
> >
> >
> > Well, actually it is the Northern Alliance that supply the heroin. The
> > Taliban are against it.
>
> Yes

The Taliban where torturers, and mad dogs, having no respect for human
values. Surely anything that is pro democracy or pro western has to be
better than them.
>


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Jonathan Bryce
July 20th 03, 07:30 PM
StephenGoldenGun wrote:


> The Taliban where torturers, and mad dogs, having no respect for human
> values.

Just like the Americans in Guantanano Bay...

> Surely anything that is pro democracy or pro western has to be
> better than them.

And who says the Northern Alliance is pro democracy or pro western?

StephenGoldenGun
July 20th 03, 09:36 PM
Jonathan Bryce > wrote in message
...
> StephenGoldenGun wrote:
>
>
> > The Taliban where torturers, and mad dogs, having no respect for human
> > values.
>
> Just like the Americans in Guantanano Bay...
>
> > Surely anything that is pro democracy or pro western has to be
> > better than them.
>
> And who says the Northern Alliance is pro democracy or pro western?

I cannot defend imprisonment indefiniately without trail, and without trail
according to "european general acceptable standards"...that is my personal
pet disagreement with the US conservative style thinking. I am against the
death penalty, I am against practices of harsh treatment of prisoners or
humans by anybody for whatever reasons.
I hope there is not the situation in Afghanistan where one tyranical "mad
dog" style organisation is replaced with another equally bad, but pro
western democracy. I hope that does'nt happen.


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B J Foster
July 20th 03, 10:08 PM
StephenGoldenGun wrote:
> B J Foster > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>>Jonathan Bryce wrote:
>>
>>>B J Foster wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Another Bliar special:
>>>>"The arms the Taliban are buying today are paid for with the lives of
>>>>young British people buying their drugs on British streets. That is
>>>>another part of their regime that we should seek to destroy"
>>>>(Tony Blair, 2-Oct 2001)
>>>
>>>
>>>Well, actually it is the Northern Alliance that supply the heroin. The
>>>Taliban are against it.
>>
>>Yes
>
>
> The Taliban where torturers, and mad dogs, having no respect for human
> values. Surely anything that is pro democracy or pro western has to be
> better than them.
>

I believe you.

But what does that have to do with Tony Blair holding it up as a reason
to invade Afghanistan?

B J Foster
July 20th 03, 10:11 PM
StephenGoldenGun wrote:
> Jonathan Bryce > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>B J Foster wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Another Bliar special:
>>>"The arms the Taliban are buying today are paid for with the lives of
>>>young British people buying their drugs on British streets. That is
>>>another part of their regime that we should seek to destroy"
>>>(Tony Blair, 2-Oct 2001)
>>
>>Well, actually it is the Northern Alliance that supply the heroin. The
>>Taliban are against it.
>
>
> Heroin comes onto our streets from the opium fields of afghanistan, and if
> there exists a pro western government, they might do something to stop this
> from arriving onto our streets.
>

This was essentially Tony Blair's promise.

And because of this promise many people supported the invasion of
Afghanistan.

Yet the reality is that Afghanistan is once again the top world producer
of heroin (according to UN figures).

StephenGoldenGun
July 20th 03, 10:25 PM
B J Foster > wrote in message
...
>
>
> StephenGoldenGun wrote:
> > B J Foster > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>
> >>Jonathan Bryce wrote:
> >>
> >>>B J Foster wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Another Bliar special:
> >>>>"The arms the Taliban are buying today are paid for with the lives of
> >>>>young British people buying their drugs on British streets. That is
> >>>>another part of their regime that we should seek to destroy"
> >>>>(Tony Blair, 2-Oct 2001)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Well, actually it is the Northern Alliance that supply the heroin. The
> >>>Taliban are against it.
> >>
> >>Yes
> >
> >
> > The Taliban where torturers, and mad dogs, having no respect for human
> > values. Surely anything that is pro democracy or pro western has to be
> > better than them.
> >
>
> I believe you.
>
> But what does that have to do with Tony Blair holding it up as a reason
> to invade Afghanistan?

If you want to know the truth then there are several reasons.

1/ To stand shoulder to shoulder with our closest ally.
2/ Stamp out breeding grounds for terrorist training camps...where alkaida
where openly based.
3/ There was a feeling amongst certain muslim countries that the USA/UK
where SOFT, and where to cowardly to actually risk real invasions, instead
they thought we just only bombed from the sky, or sent in missiles, this
therefore acted as a reason why some countries where happy to support
alkaida. It served to show the world that any country supporting terrorists
would be invaded. Which I believe is true! The united states has a very
beligerant and very aggressive foreign policy. Never before in my lifetime
has the US been willing to sacrifice its young, not since the days of
Vietnam!
4/ The best way to influence the United States is to engage as a powerful
ally with the United States as Tony Blair has done. No other country in the
world has so much influence as the UK.


>


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StephenGoldenGun
July 20th 03, 10:28 PM
B J Foster > wrote in message
...
>
>
> StephenGoldenGun wrote:
> > Jonathan Bryce > wrote in
message
> > ...
> >
> >>B J Foster wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Another Bliar special:
> >>>"The arms the Taliban are buying today are paid for with the lives of
> >>>young British people buying their drugs on British streets. That is
> >>>another part of their regime that we should seek to destroy"
> >>>(Tony Blair, 2-Oct 2001)
> >>
> >>Well, actually it is the Northern Alliance that supply the heroin. The
> >>Taliban are against it.
> >
> >
> > Heroin comes onto our streets from the opium fields of afghanistan, and
if
> > there exists a pro western government, they might do something to stop
this
> > from arriving onto our streets.
> >
>
> This was essentially Tony Blair's promise.
>
> And because of this promise many people supported the invasion of
> Afghanistan.
>
> Yet the reality is that Afghanistan is once again the top world producer
> of heroin (according to UN figures).


I suppose one must admit that all that is promised is not allways delivered.

Personally I am wondering why their seems to be no trace of WMD yet?


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Rod Speed
July 20th 03, 11:08 PM
StephenGoldenGun >
wrote in message ...
> B J Foster > wrote
>> StephenGoldenGun wrote
>>> B J Foster > wrote
>>>> Jonathan Bryce wrote
>>>>> B J Foster wrote:

>>>>>> Another Bliar special:
>>>>>> "The arms the Taliban are buying today are paid for with the lives
>>>>>> of young British people buying their drugs on British streets. That
>>>>>> is another part of their regime that we should seek to destroy"
>>>>>> (Tony Blair, 2-Oct 2001)

Nothing wrong with that, fool.

>>>>> Well, actually it is the Northern Alliance that
>>>>> supply the heroin. The Taliban are against it.

Wrong in the time just before the invasion.

>>>> Yes

Nope.

>>> The Taliban where torturers, and mad dogs, having no
>>> respect for human values. Surely anything that is pro
>>> democracy or pro western has to be better than them.

Correct.

>> I believe you.

>> But what does that have to do with Tony Blair
>> holding it up as a reason to invade Afghanistan?

He never did as THE reason, just ONE OF THE REASONS, fool.

> If you want to know the truth then there are several reasons.

> 1/ To stand shoulder to shoulder with our closest ally.

Yep. Tho Blair is selective about when he choose to do that.

> 2/ Stamp out breeding grounds for terrorist training camps...
> where alkaida where openly based.

Yep.

> 3/ There was a feeling amongst certain muslim countries
> that the USA/UK where SOFT, and where to cowardly to
> actually risk real invasions, instead they thought we just
> only bombed from the sky, or sent in missiles,

Yep, and they discovered that when it comes to the crunch
like with Sept 11, its much more complicated than that.

The Japs managed the same spectacular footshot with Pearl Harbour.

> this therefore acted as a reason why some
> countries where happy to support alkaida.

Nope, they mostly hate the US for various reasons.

> It served to show the world that any country supporting
> terrorists would be invaded. Which I believe is true!

I dont expect to see the US invade Palestine any
time soon. They will leave that to the Isrealis.

> The united states has a very beligerant
> and very aggressive foreign policy.

Hardly surprising given Sept 11.

The same thing happened after Pearl Harbour too.

> Never before in my lifetime has the US been willing
> to sacrifice its young, not since the days of Vietnam!

Wrong. There were quite a few between Vietnam and Afghanistan.

> 4/ The best way to influence the United States is to engage as
> a powerful ally with the United States as Tony Blair has done.
> No other country in the world has so much influence as the UK.

They dont really have any real 'influence'
at all. Their support is welcome tho.

Rod Speed
July 20th 03, 11:10 PM
"StephenGoldenGun" > wrote in message ...
>
> B J Foster > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > StephenGoldenGun wrote:
> > > Jonathan Bryce > wrote in
> message
> > > ...
> > >
> > >>B J Foster wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Another Bliar special:
> > >>>"The arms the Taliban are buying today are paid for with the lives of
> > >>>young British people buying their drugs on British streets. That is
> > >>>another part of their regime that we should seek to destroy"
> > >>>(Tony Blair, 2-Oct 2001)
> > >>
> > >>Well, actually it is the Northern Alliance that supply the heroin. The
> > >>Taliban are against it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Heroin comes onto our streets from the opium fields of afghanistan, and
> if
> > > there exists a pro western government, they might do something to stop
> this
> > > from arriving onto our streets.
> > >
> >
> > This was essentially Tony Blair's promise.
> >
> > And because of this promise many people supported the invasion of
> > Afghanistan.
> >
> > Yet the reality is that Afghanistan is once again the top world producer
> > of heroin (according to UN figures).
>
>
> I suppose one must admit that all that is promised is not allways delivered.
>
> Personally I am wondering why their seems to be no trace of WMD yet?

Presumably the intelligence got it wrong, particularly the most
unlikely claims that they could deliver stuff in 45 minutes.

Only a fool is stupid enough to expect that intelligence will always be perfect.

Who cares anyway ? Saddam got disposed of very unceremoniously indeed.
What Dubbya's dad should have done at the end of the Gulf War.

B J Foster
July 20th 03, 11:12 PM
StephenGoldenGun wrote:
> B J Foster > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>>StephenGoldenGun wrote:
>>
>>>B J Foster > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jonathan Bryce wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>B J Foster wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Another Bliar special:
>>>>>>"The arms the Taliban are buying today are paid for with the lives of
>>>>>>young British people buying their drugs on British streets. That is
>>>>>>another part of their regime that we should seek to destroy"
>>>>>>(Tony Blair, 2-Oct 2001)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, actually it is the Northern Alliance that supply the heroin. The
>>>>>Taliban are against it.
>>>>
>>>>Yes
>>>
>>>
>>>The Taliban where torturers, and mad dogs, having no respect for human
>>>values. Surely anything that is pro democracy or pro western has to be
>>>better than them.
>>>
>>
>>I believe you.
>>
>>But what does that have to do with Tony Blair holding it up as a reason
>>to invade Afghanistan?
>
>
> If you want to know the truth then there are several reasons.
>
> 1/ To stand shoulder to shoulder with our closest ally.
> 2/ Stamp out breeding grounds for terrorist training camps...where alkaida
> where openly based.
> 3/ There was a feeling amongst certain muslim countries that the USA/UK
> where SOFT, and where to cowardly to actually risk real invasions, instead
> they thought we just only bombed from the sky, or sent in missiles, this
> therefore acted as a reason why some countries where happy to support
> alkaida. It served to show the world that any country supporting terrorists
> would be invaded. Which I believe is true! The united states has a very
> beligerant and very aggressive foreign policy. Never before in my lifetime
> has the US been willing to sacrifice its young, not since the days of
> Vietnam!
> 4/ The best way to influence the United States is to engage as a powerful
> ally with the United States as Tony Blair has done. No other country in the
> world has so much influence as the UK.
>
>

Those are all GREAT reasons, however Blair made an implied promise to
eradicate the greatest source of heroin and he has not done so. It's
time to hold him accountable for that promise.

>

B J Foster
July 20th 03, 11:15 PM
Rod Speed wrote:
> "StephenGoldenGun" > wrote in message ...
>
>>B J Foster > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>
>>>StephenGoldenGun wrote:
>>>
>>>>Jonathan Bryce > wrote in
>>>
>>message
>>
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>B J Foster wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Another Bliar special:
>>>>>>"The arms the Taliban are buying today are paid for with the lives of
>>>>>>young British people buying their drugs on British streets. That is
>>>>>>another part of their regime that we should seek to destroy"
>>>>>>(Tony Blair, 2-Oct 2001)
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, actually it is the Northern Alliance that supply the heroin. The
>>>>>Taliban are against it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Heroin comes onto our streets from the opium fields of afghanistan, and
>>>
>>if
>>
>>>>there exists a pro western government, they might do something to stop
>>>
>>this
>>
>>>>from arriving onto our streets.
>>>>
>>>
>>>This was essentially Tony Blair's promise.
>>>
>>>And because of this promise many people supported the invasion of
>>>Afghanistan.
>>>
>>>Yet the reality is that Afghanistan is once again the top world producer
>>>of heroin (according to UN figures).
>>
>>
>>I suppose one must admit that all that is promised is not allways delivered.
>>
>>Personally I am wondering why their seems to be no trace of WMD yet?
>
>
> Presumably the intelligence got it wrong, particularly the most
> unlikely claims that they could deliver stuff in 45 minutes.
>
> Only a fool is stupid enough to expect that intelligence will always be perfect.


Like they 'got wrong' official warnings from no less than SEVEN other
countries about 9-11? Getting it wrong to that extent is almost
unbelievable incompetence.

Let's assume it WAS incompetence. Where does that leave us?

>
> Who cares anyway ? Saddam got disposed of very unceremoniously indeed.
> What Dubbya's dad should have done at the end of the Gulf War.
>
>

Yes. Who cares about garbage disposal? Indeed, who cares about democracy?

nog
July 20th 03, 11:16 PM
In article >,
says...
> Who cares anyway ? Saddam got disposed of very unceremoniously indeed.
> What Dubbya's dad should have done at the end of the Gulf War.

At least there was a good excuse first time around, although even then,
it had little to do with democracy. Kuwait is still the fiefdom it was
before.

StephenGoldenGun
July 20th 03, 11:21 PM
Rod Speed > wrote in message
...
>
> "StephenGoldenGun" > wrote in message
...
> >
> > B J Foster > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > >
> > > StephenGoldenGun wrote:
> > > > Jonathan Bryce > wrote in
> > message
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > >>B J Foster wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>Another Bliar special:
> > > >>>"The arms the Taliban are buying today are paid for with the lives
of
> > > >>>young British people buying their drugs on British streets. That is
> > > >>>another part of their regime that we should seek to destroy"
> > > >>>(Tony Blair, 2-Oct 2001)
> > > >>
> > > >>Well, actually it is the Northern Alliance that supply the heroin.
The
> > > >>Taliban are against it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Heroin comes onto our streets from the opium fields of afghanistan,
and
> > if
> > > > there exists a pro western government, they might do something to
stop
> > this
> > > > from arriving onto our streets.
> > > >
> > >
> > > This was essentially Tony Blair's promise.
> > >
> > > And because of this promise many people supported the invasion of
> > > Afghanistan.
> > >
> > > Yet the reality is that Afghanistan is once again the top world
producer
> > > of heroin (according to UN figures).
> >
> >
> > I suppose one must admit that all that is promised is not allways
delivered.
> >
> > Personally I am wondering why their seems to be no trace of WMD yet?
>
> Presumably the intelligence got it wrong, particularly the most
> unlikely claims that they could deliver stuff in 45 minutes.
>
> Only a fool is stupid enough to expect that intelligence will always be
perfect.

Not only that, but the British have been having a military force in Northern
Ireland for a long time. It is a well known fact that IRA weapons stores are
NEVER found, by chance, nor by looking, they are only found after someone
has told them where they are. So my point is that by randomly looking for
perhaps small quanitites when they have had so much time to hide them, is
virtually impossible.
Even they may have been hidden abroad. Very easy to do.
It is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

He had them, and he used them on his own people..how in the word could he
not have them??
>
> Who cares anyway ? Saddam got disposed of very unceremoniously indeed.
> What Dubbya's dad should have done at the end of the Gulf War.

Not only that, Saddam tried to have George Bush Senior assassinated on a
trip to the United States! So I think he is an enemy of the west! He murders
and gases his own people. And what would happen if he got hold of a nuclear
bomb? People never realise these things until its too late.
>
>


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StephenGoldenGun
July 20th 03, 11:28 PM
B J Foster > wrote in message
...
>
>
> StephenGoldenGun wrote:
> > B J Foster > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>
> >>StephenGoldenGun wrote:
> > >>>The Taliban where torturers, and mad dogs, having no respect for
human
> >>>values. Surely anything that is pro democracy or pro western has to be
> >>>better than them.
> >>>
> >>
> >>I believe you.
> >>
> >>But what does that have to do with Tony Blair holding it up as a reason
> >>to invade Afghanistan?
> >
> >
> > If you want to know the truth then there are several reasons.
> >
> > 1/ To stand shoulder to shoulder with our closest ally.
> > 2/ Stamp out breeding grounds for terrorist training camps...where
alkaida
> > where openly based.
> > 3/ There was a feeling amongst certain muslim countries that the USA/UK
> > where SOFT, and where to cowardly to actually risk real invasions,
instead
> > they thought we just only bombed from the sky, or sent in missiles, this
> > therefore acted as a reason why some countries where happy to support
> > alkaida. It served to show the world that any country supporting
terrorists
> > would be invaded. Which I believe is true! The united states has a very
> > beligerant and very aggressive foreign policy. Never before in my
lifetime
> > has the US been willing to sacrifice its young, not since the days of
> > Vietnam!
> > 4/ The best way to influence the United States is to engage as a
powerful
> > ally with the United States as Tony Blair has done. No other country in
the
> > world has so much influence as the UK.
> >
> >
>
> Those are all GREAT reasons, however Blair made an implied promise to
> eradicate the greatest source of heroin and he has not done so. It's
> time to hold him accountable for that promise.
>
> >
BJ, I have to confess, that as much as I would like to be able to say I know
about this subject in depth, really I don't, I know that Afghanistan is the
words major supplier, and I also know the taliban apparantly where against
it, (just have that in my mind, not from hard source) but I don't know what
Tony was saying about that. I remember at one stage after September 11th, he
was talking about all kinds of ambitions he had for world peace and things
for the betterment of the world.
I think people underestimate the "effect" perhaps he has had on the US. I
allways feel that no ruler can make everybody happy, but what I see is I
have a feeling that Tony has his heart in the right place.
Lets be frank, he has put his life on the line, for the rest of his life! He
could be a target for terrorists and his family also for what? A measily 50K
per year is all he gets.
Many people reading this forum get paid more than him!


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StephenGoldenGun
July 20th 03, 11:30 PM
nog > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
> > Who cares anyway ? Saddam got disposed of very unceremoniously indeed.
> > What Dubbya's dad should have done at the end of the Gulf War.
>
> At least there was a good excuse first time around, although even then,
> it had little to do with democracy. Kuwait is still the fiefdom it was
> before.

The Man Called Nog Spake Thus, and from his lips did emanate the words of
truth.


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nog
July 20th 03, 11:34 PM
In article >, says...

>
> "nog" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > > Who cares anyway ? Saddam got disposed of very unceremoniously
> indeed.
> > > What Dubbya's dad should have done at the end of the Gulf War.
> >
> > At least there was a good excuse first time around, although even then,
> > it had little to do with democracy. Kuwait is still the fiefdom it was
> > before.

> Unfortunately, we have not found any mass graves in Kuwait...

Sorry, you've lost me there.

Stephen GoldenGun
July 20th 03, 11:42 PM
nog > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
>
> >
> > "nog" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >,
> > > says...
> > > > Who cares anyway ? Saddam got disposed of very unceremoniously
> > indeed.
> > > > What Dubbya's dad should have done at the end of the Gulf War.
> > >
> > > At least there was a good excuse first time around, although even
then,
> > > it had little to do with democracy. Kuwait is still the fiefdom it was
> > > before.
>
> > Unfortunately, we have not found any mass graves in Kuwait...
>
> Sorry, you've lost me there.

I did'nt like to say anything for fear of beng called a "troll" but yes i
also could not understand the meaning of that statement?


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ypauls
July 21st 03, 12:46 AM
> > > Unfortunately, we have not found any mass graves in Kuwait...
> >
> > Sorry, you've lost me there.
>
> I did'nt like to say anything for fear of beng called a "troll" but yes
i
> also could not understand the meaning of that statement?
>

Hmmmm
ok,
The previous post was making an argument that Kuwait was also a
'dictatorship' (implying we turned a blind eye to that particular
country), the difference being that in Kuwait there are not roving thugs
that will eliminate ones extended lineage at the whim of the ruler.
Anyone ever notice how Sadam has a resemblance to Stalin?

Stephen GoldenGun
July 21st 03, 01:12 AM
ypauls > wrote in message ...
> > > > Unfortunately, we have not found any mass graves in Kuwait...
> > >
> > > Sorry, you've lost me there.
> >
> > I did'nt like to say anything for fear of beng called a "troll" but yes
> i
> > also could not understand the meaning of that statement?
> >
>
> Hmmmm
> ok,
> The previous post was making an argument that Kuwait was also a
> 'dictatorship' (implying we turned a blind eye to that particular
> country), the difference being that in Kuwait there are not roving thugs
> that will eliminate ones extended lineage at the whim of the ruler.
> Anyone ever notice how Sadam has a resemblance to Stalin?


Ahh yes now I understand what yoursaying competely!

Thanks!
>
>
>
>


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July 21st 03, 01:40 AM
"StephenGoldenGun" > wrote in message ...
>
> B J Foster > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > StephenGoldenGun wrote:
> > > B J Foster > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > >>
> > >>StephenGoldenGun wrote:
> > > >>>The Taliban where torturers, and mad dogs, having no respect for
> human
> > >>>values. Surely anything that is pro democracy or pro western has to be
> > >>>better than them.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>I believe you.
> > >>
> > >>But what does that have to do with Tony Blair holding it up as a reason
> > >>to invade Afghanistan?
> > >
> > >
> > > If you want to know the truth then there are several reasons.
> > >
> > > 1/ To stand shoulder to shoulder with our closest ally.
> > > 2/ Stamp out breeding grounds for terrorist training camps...where
> alkaida
> > > where openly based.
> > > 3/ There was a feeling amongst certain muslim countries that the USA/UK
> > > where SOFT, and where to cowardly to actually risk real invasions,
> instead
> > > they thought we just only bombed from the sky, or sent in missiles, this
> > > therefore acted as a reason why some countries where happy to support
> > > alkaida. It served to show the world that any country supporting
> terrorists
> > > would be invaded. Which I believe is true! The united states has a very
> > > beligerant and very aggressive foreign policy. Never before in my
> lifetime
> > > has the US been willing to sacrifice its young, not since the days of
> > > Vietnam!
> > > 4/ The best way to influence the United States is to engage as a
> powerful
> > > ally with the United States as Tony Blair has done. No other country in
> the
> > > world has so much influence as the UK.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Those are all GREAT reasons, however Blair made an implied promise to
> > eradicate the greatest source of heroin and he has not done so. It's
> > time to hold him accountable for that promise.

> BJ, I have to confess, that as much as I would like to
> be able to say I know about this subject in depth, really
> I don't, I know that Afghanistan is the words major supplier,
> and I also know the taliban apparantly where against it,

Officially they were. In practice they had tolerated it too.

They never put the same effort into stamping out opium growing and
heroin trafficking as they did into stomping on women for example.

Mainly because it did provide considerable
funding for their military activitys.

> (just have that in my mind, not from hard source) but I don't know
> what Tony was saying about that. I remember at one stage after
> September 11th, he was talking about all kinds of ambitions he
> had for world peace and things for the betterment of the world.

Yep. And that bit on heroin was just one small part of that.

> I think people underestimate the "effect" perhaps he has had on the US.

I dont believe he has had much real effect, just his support is welcomed.

Particularly when fools like Chirac made
such spectacular fools of themselves.

> I allways feel that no ruler can make everybody happy,

Corse they cant. In spades with the lunatic fringe
of the british labour party. They only just stopped
singing the Red Flag at party conferences.

> but what I see is I have a feeling that Tony has his heart in the right place.

Corse he has. The claim that he deliberately lied about heroin
is completely off with the fairys. Nothing new for Forster tho.

> Lets be frank, he has put his life on the line, for the rest of his life!

Just like he did before that putting the boot into the labour
party and ensuring that it was a viable electoral alternative too.

> He could be a target for terrorists and his family also

Thats been a fact of british political life for most
of the last half of the previous century with the Irish.

> for what? A measily 50K per year is all he gets.

Its never about money for politicians.

> Many people reading this forum get paid more than him!

I doubt it.

Rod Speed
July 21st 03, 01:50 AM
"B J Foster" > wrote in message ...
>
>
> Rod Speed wrote:
> > "StephenGoldenGun" > wrote in message ...
> >
> >>B J Foster > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >>>
> >>>StephenGoldenGun wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Jonathan Bryce > wrote in
> >>>
> >>message
> >>
> ...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>B J Foster wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Another Bliar special:
> >>>>>>"The arms the Taliban are buying today are paid for with the lives of
> >>>>>>young British people buying their drugs on British streets. That is
> >>>>>>another part of their regime that we should seek to destroy"
> >>>>>>(Tony Blair, 2-Oct 2001)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Well, actually it is the Northern Alliance that supply the heroin. The
> >>>>>Taliban are against it.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Heroin comes onto our streets from the opium fields of afghanistan, and
> >>>
> >>if
> >>
> >>>>there exists a pro western government, they might do something to stop
> >>>
> >>this
> >>
> >>>>from arriving onto our streets.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>This was essentially Tony Blair's promise.
> >>>
> >>>And because of this promise many people supported the invasion of
> >>>Afghanistan.
> >>>
> >>>Yet the reality is that Afghanistan is once again the top world producer
> >>>of heroin (according to UN figures).
> >>
> >>
> >>I suppose one must admit that all that is promised is not allways delivered.
> >>
> >>Personally I am wondering why their seems to be no trace of WMD yet?
> >
> >
> > Presumably the intelligence got it wrong, particularly the most
> > unlikely claims that they could deliver stuff in 45 minutes.
> >
> > Only a fool is stupid enough to expect that intelligence will always be perfect.

> Like they 'got wrong' official warnings from no
> less than SEVEN other countries about 9-11?

There were no 'official warnings' from any country
that something like that was likely to happen.

And even fools as stupid as you should have noticed
the previous attempts on the WTC by that lot etc.

> Getting it wrong to that extent is
> almost unbelievable incompetence.

You didnt predict Sept 11 before it happened either. Funny that.

> Let's assume it WAS incompetence. Where does that leave us?

Just where we always were, with the FACT that its almost
impossible to predict something as spectacular as that.

It was absolutely no news to anyone that there had
been previous attempts to blow up the WTC, fool.

>> Who cares anyway ? Saddam got disposed of very unceremoniously indeed.
>> What Dubbya's dad should have done at the end of the Gulf War.

> Yes. Who cares about garbage disposal?
> Indeed, who cares about democracy?

Certainly not Saddam, fool.

Rod Speed
July 21st 03, 01:52 AM
nog > wrote in message
...
> Rod Speed wrote

>> Who cares anyway ? Saddam got disposed of very unceremoniously
>> indeed. What Dubbya's dad should have done at the end of the Gulf War.

> At least there was a good excuse first time around,
> although even then, it had little to do with democracy.

Corse it didnt, it was the result of the full
scale military invasion of Kuwait, stupid.

And kicking Saddam out of Kuwait had the support
of almost every single country in the middle east too.

> Kuwait is still the fiefdom it was before.

Completely irrelevant.

B J Foster
July 21st 03, 01:52 AM
Rod Speed wrote:
> "StephenGoldenGun" > wrote in message ...
>
>>B J Foster > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>
>>>StephenGoldenGun wrote:
>>>
>>>>B J Foster > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>StephenGoldenGun wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Taliban where torturers, and mad dogs, having no respect for
>>>>>>
>>human
>>
>>>>>>values. Surely anything that is pro democracy or pro western has to be
>>>>>>better than them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe you.
>>>>>
>>>>>But what does that have to do with Tony Blair holding it up as a reason
>>>>>to invade Afghanistan?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If you want to know the truth then there are several reasons.
>>>>
>>>>1/ To stand shoulder to shoulder with our closest ally.
>>>>2/ Stamp out breeding grounds for terrorist training camps...where
>>>
>>alkaida
>>
>>>>where openly based.
>>>>3/ There was a feeling amongst certain muslim countries that the USA/UK
>>>>where SOFT, and where to cowardly to actually risk real invasions,
>>>
>>instead
>>
>>>>they thought we just only bombed from the sky, or sent in missiles, this
>>>>therefore acted as a reason why some countries where happy to support
>>>>alkaida. It served to show the world that any country supporting
>>>
>>terrorists
>>
>>>>would be invaded. Which I believe is true! The united states has a very
>>>>beligerant and very aggressive foreign policy. Never before in my
>>>
>>lifetime
>>
>>>>has the US been willing to sacrifice its young, not since the days of
>>>>Vietnam!
>>>>4/ The best way to influence the United States is to engage as a
>>>
>>powerful
>>
>>>>ally with the United States as Tony Blair has done. No other country in
>>>
>>the
>>
>>>>world has so much influence as the UK.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Those are all GREAT reasons, however Blair made an implied promise to
>>>eradicate the greatest source of heroin and he has not done so. It's
>>>time to hold him accountable for that promise.
>>
>
>>BJ, I have to confess, that as much as I would like to
>>be able to say I know about this subject in depth, really
>>I don't, I know that Afghanistan is the words major supplier,
>>and I also know the taliban apparantly where against it,
>
>
> Officially they were. In practice they had tolerated it too.

BS. Check the UN data.

>
> They never put the same effort into stamping out opium growing and
> heroin trafficking as they did into stomping on women for example.

True but irrelevant

>
<snip>

Rod Speed
July 21st 03, 01:54 AM
"ypauls" > wrote in message ...
> > > > Unfortunately, we have not found any mass graves in Kuwait...
> > >
> > > Sorry, you've lost me there.
> >
> > I did'nt like to say anything for fear of beng called a "troll" but yes
> i
> > also could not understand the meaning of that statement?
> >
>
> Hmmmm
> ok,
> The previous post was making an argument that Kuwait was also a
> 'dictatorship' (implying we turned a blind eye to that particular
> country), the difference being that in Kuwait there are not roving thugs
> that will eliminate ones extended lineage at the whim of the ruler.
> Anyone ever notice how Sadam has a resemblance to Stalin?

Saddam certainly did, he always modelled himself after Joe
and was happy to rave on about how Stalin's approach was
the only way to operate to anyone prepared to listen.

Rod Speed
July 21st 03, 02:13 AM
"B J Foster" > wrote in message ...
>
>
> Rod Speed wrote:
> > "StephenGoldenGun" > wrote in message ...
> >
> >>B J Foster > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >>>
> >>>StephenGoldenGun wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>B J Foster > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>StephenGoldenGun wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>The Taliban where torturers, and mad dogs, having no respect for
> >>>>>>
> >>human
> >>
> >>>>>>values. Surely anything that is pro democracy or pro western has to be
> >>>>>>better than them.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I believe you.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>But what does that have to do with Tony Blair holding it up as a reason
> >>>>>to invade Afghanistan?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>If you want to know the truth then there are several reasons.
> >>>>
> >>>>1/ To stand shoulder to shoulder with our closest ally.
> >>>>2/ Stamp out breeding grounds for terrorist training camps...where
> >>>
> >>alkaida
> >>
> >>>>where openly based.
> >>>>3/ There was a feeling amongst certain muslim countries that the USA/UK
> >>>>where SOFT, and where to cowardly to actually risk real invasions,
> >>>
> >>instead
> >>
> >>>>they thought we just only bombed from the sky, or sent in missiles, this
> >>>>therefore acted as a reason why some countries where happy to support
> >>>>alkaida. It served to show the world that any country supporting
> >>>
> >>terrorists
> >>
> >>>>would be invaded. Which I believe is true! The united states has a very
> >>>>beligerant and very aggressive foreign policy. Never before in my
> >>>
> >>lifetime
> >>
> >>>>has the US been willing to sacrifice its young, not since the days of
> >>>>Vietnam!
> >>>>4/ The best way to influence the United States is to engage as a
> >>>
> >>powerful
> >>
> >>>>ally with the United States as Tony Blair has done. No other country in
> >>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>>>world has so much influence as the UK.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Those are all GREAT reasons, however Blair made an implied promise to
> >>>eradicate the greatest source of heroin and he has not done so. It's
> >>>time to hold him accountable for that promise.
> >>
> >
> >>BJ, I have to confess, that as much as I would like to
> >>be able to say I know about this subject in depth, really
> >>I don't, I know that Afghanistan is the words major supplier,
> >>and I also know the taliban apparantly where against it,
> >
> >
> > Officially they were. In practice they had tolerated it too.

> BS.

Nope, fact.

> Check the UN data.

The UN wouldnt even notice if its arse was on fire on that stuff.

>> They never put the same effort into stamping out opium growing and
>> heroin trafficking as they did into stomping on women for example.

> True but irrelevant

Nope, they clearly didnt bother to do much about the heroin trade, stupid.

Stephen GoldenGun
July 21st 03, 02:25 AM
Rod Speed > wrote in message
...
>
> nog > wrote in message
> ...
> > Rod Speed wrote
>
> >> Who cares anyway ? Saddam got disposed of very unceremoniously
> >> indeed. What Dubbya's dad should have done at the end of the Gulf War.
>
> > At least there was a good excuse first time around,
> > although even then, it had little to do with democracy.
>
> Corse it didnt, it was the result of the full
> scale military invasion of Kuwait, stupid.
>
> And kicking Saddam out of Kuwait had the support
> of almost every single country in the middle east too.

Definitely, greater support, even the arab countries supported getting him
out..
>
> > Kuwait is still the fiefdom it was before.
>
> Completely irrelevant.
>
>


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B J Foster
July 21st 03, 02:42 AM
Rod Speed wrote:
> "B J Foster" > wrote in message ...
>
<snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>Presumably the intelligence got it wrong, particularly the most
>>>>>unlikely claims that they could deliver stuff in 45 minutes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Only a fool is stupid enough to expect that intelligence will always be perfect.
>>>>
>>>>Like they 'got wrong' official warnings from no
>>>>less than SEVEN other countries about 9-11?
>>>
>
>>>There were no 'official warnings' from any country
>>>that something like that was likely to happen.
>>
>
>>UK, Germany, France, Israel, Morocco, Russia.
>
>
> Lie. You cant cite even a single one of those that
> issued any 'official warning' that both of the WTC
> towers were going to be turned into rubble.
>
> There wasnt even a single 'official warning' from
> anyone that flying a commercial jetliner into one of
> those towers would produce a result like that either.
>

26 July 2001
"Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend
trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet,
reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling
exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the
Justice Department cited what it called a 'threat assessment' by the
FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet
for the remainder of his term.

'There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting
under the guidelines', an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the
Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it
was detected or who made it".
(http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml)


>
>>Oops. that's only 6
>
>
> You're a pathological liar, Foster.
>

I'm in excellent company it seems

>
>>>And even fools as stupid as you should have noticed
>>>the previous attempts on the WTC by that lot etc.
>>
>
>>Yes indeed.
>
>
>>>>Getting it wrong to that extent is
>>>>almost unbelievable incompetence.
>>>
>
>>>You didnt predict Sept 11 before it happened either. Funny that.
>>
>
>>Not really, no
>
>
> Yep, pathetic, actually.
>
<flush>

nog
July 21st 03, 02:50 AM
In article >,
says...
>
> nog > wrote in message
> ...
> > Rod Speed wrote
>
> >> Who cares anyway ? Saddam got disposed of very unceremoniously
> >> indeed. What Dubbya's dad should have done at the end of the Gulf War.
>
> > At least there was a good excuse first time around,
> > although even then, it had little to do with democracy.
>
> Corse it didnt, it was the result of the full
> scale military invasion of Kuwait, stupid.

Thanks for the abuse, I will refrain from responding in kind.
>
> And kicking Saddam out of Kuwait had the support
> of almost every single country in the middle east too.
>
> > Kuwait is still the fiefdom it was before.
>
> Completely irrelevant.

It's irrelevant if you ignore the hypocritical spouting about democracy
from "President" Bush and his lacky Bliar.

Rod Speed
July 21st 03, 02:59 AM
nog > wrote in message
...
> Rod Speed wrote

>> Corse they cant. In spades with the lunatic fringe
>> of the british labour party. They only just stopped
>> singing the Red Flag at party conferences.

> What you describe as the lunatic fringe of the Labour Party is
> what used to be the Labour Party until comparatively recently.

Yep, and thats why they were electorally
completely irrelevant for so long.

> The Labour government they all aspired to is
> not the Labour government we all have now.

And they did eventually get elected to govt because they arent.

Rod Speed
July 21st 03, 03:09 AM
nog > wrote in message
...
> Rod Speed wrote
>> nog > wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>>> Who cares anyway ? Saddam got disposed of very unceremoniously
>>>> indeed. What Dubbya's dad should have done at the end of the Gulf War.

>>> At least there was a good excuse first time around,
>>> although even then, it had little to do with democracy.

>> Corse it didnt, it was the result of the full
>> scale military invasion of Kuwait, stupid.

> Thanks for the abuse,

That aint abuse, thats fact.

> I will refrain from responding in kind.

You lied. You did nothing of the sort.

>> And kicking Saddam out of Kuwait had the support
>> of almost every single country in the middle east too.

>>> Kuwait is still the fiefdom it was before.

>> Completely irrelevant.

> It's irrelevant if you ignore the hypocritical spouting about democracy

Corse that aint abuse, eh ?

> from "President" Bush and his lacky Bliar.

See above.

ypauls
July 21st 03, 03:19 AM
And some still want to squabble about whether Saddam had vile weapons or
not...

>
> Saddam certainly did, he always modelled himself after Joe
> and was happy to rave on about how Stalin's approach was
> the only way to operate to anyone prepared to listen.
>

Stephen GoldenGun
July 21st 03, 03:41 AM
nog > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
> > Corse they cant. In spades with the lunatic fringe
> > of the british labour party. They only just stopped
> > singing the Red Flag at party conferences.
>
> What you describe as the lunatic fringe of the Labour Party is what used
> to be the Labour Party until comparatively recently.
> The Labour government they all aspired to is not the Labour government
> we all have now.

Excellent, thats why they got ellected, because old labour had nothing wrong
about it that it was old, it was just its policies where basically communist
and all the previous leaders had no idea how to run a country, Neil Kinnock
clung to some unionised country with strong socialist leanings.

This Labour Government understands the real word economic situation...and
appies the right amount of socialism, socialism is good, it is caring, it is
for the social welfare of the country.

In my opinion, my feeling about the old labour was that they wanted to spend
spend spend spend without understanding how to earn earn earn...

I am all for giving to the poor, needy, sick, infirm, but I want to damned
well make sure I earn what I give first....whereas the old laborites did not
ever grasp that policy......

People like me had not any choice but to vote conservative, but now, we have
a sensible alternative, and long may it reign.


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Stephen GoldenGun
July 21st 03, 03:58 AM
nog > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > nog > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Rod Speed wrote
> >
> > >> Who cares anyway ? Saddam got disposed of very unceremoniously
> > >> indeed. What Dubbya's dad should have done at the end of the Gulf
War.
> >
> > > At least there was a good excuse first time around,
> > > although even then, it had little to do with democracy.
> >
> > Corse it didnt, it was the result of the full
> > scale military invasion of Kuwait, stupid.
>
> Thanks for the abuse, I will refrain from responding in kind.
> >
> > And kicking Saddam out of Kuwait had the support
> > of almost every single country in the middle east too.
> >
> > > Kuwait is still the fiefdom it was before.
> >
> > Completely irrelevant.
>
> It's irrelevant if you ignore the hypocritical spouting about democracy
> from "President" Bush and his lacky Bliar.


Nog, democracy is our way of life, we can't go and inflict democracy on any
country we wishfor, the main aim is to stop terrorism and tyrants, not to
promote democracy..or not to "force" democracy......


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B J Foster
July 21st 03, 04:55 AM
Stephen GoldenGun wrote:
> ypauls > wrote in message ...
>
>>And some still want to squabble about whether Saddam had vile weapons or
>>not...
>>
>>
>>>Saddam certainly did, he always modelled himself after Joe
>>>and was happy to rave on about how Stalin's approach was
>>>the only way to operate to anyone prepared to listen.
>>
>
>
> Totally True. I think proof is that he had them, and therefore most likely
> that still has them, this can be accuratey deduced from his record.
>
> I think it was enough that he was trying to get weapons of mass destruction
> he would then threaten israel, and the whole middle east would go up in
> flames.
>
> Also now, no country in their right mind would harber any Alkaida or similar
> terrorists, unless it wanted to face serious action.
>
>

All cogent, coherent, good arguments. If they had been made by Bush and
Blair, I would have accepted them. Having researched Saddam's track
record, I would have accepted an invasion without ANY justification.
So that leads to the question: Why lie?

Stephen GoldenGun
July 21st 03, 05:04 AM
B J Foster > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Stephen GoldenGun wrote:
> > ypauls > wrote in message ...
> >
> >>And some still want to squabble about whether Saddam had vile weapons or
> >>not...
> >>
> >>
> >>>Saddam certainly did, he always modelled himself after Joe
> >>>and was happy to rave on about how Stalin's approach was
> >>>the only way to operate to anyone prepared to listen.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Totally True. I think proof is that he had them, and therefore most
likely
> > that still has them, this can be accuratey deduced from his record.
> >
> > I think it was enough that he was trying to get weapons of mass
destruction
> > he would then threaten israel, and the whole middle east would go up in
> > flames.
> >
> > Also now, no country in their right mind would harber any Alkaida or
similar
> > terrorists, unless it wanted to face serious action.
> >
> >
>
> All cogent, coherent, good arguments. If they had been made by Bush and
> Blair, I would have accepted them. Having researched Saddam's track
> record, I would have accepted an invasion without ANY justification.
> So that leads to the question: Why lie?


Thanks for the compliment BJ, nice to have a difference of opinion with a
civilised person. Putting the points about "heroin" to one side, I have to
admit I'm not that familiar with what he said or how he said it, I was more
concentrating on the build up to the war etc.
So I just wondered why they built such a case about WMD? I mean nothing is
black and white and it is probably difficult or impossible to know exactly
the true situation...
I think it brings us down to the question or interperation of "what is a lie
and what is just good intentions" that did'nt materialise.........
I think for the definition of lie, would have to be outright untruths, but
saying you believe something and it not happening is perhaps a sighty
different thing?

Incidentally I would welcome your opinion on the scientist who has
apparantly committed suicide? Do you think their was anything sinister
behind this?
>


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July 21st 03, 05:18 AM
B J Foster > wrote in
message ...
> Rod Speed wrote
>> B J Foster > wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> B J Foster > wrote

>>>>>>>> Presumably the intelligence got it wrong, particularly the most
>>>>>>>> unlikely claims that they could deliver stuff in 45 minutes.

>>>>>>>> Only a fool is stupid enough to expect
>>>>>>>> that intelligence will always be perfect.

>>>>>>> Like they 'got wrong' official warnings from no
>>>>>>> less than SEVEN other countries about 9-11?

>>>>>> There were no 'official warnings' from any country
>>>>>> that something like that was likely to happen.

>>>>> UK, Germany, France, Israel, Morocco, Russia.

>>>> Lie. You cant cite even a single one of those that
>>>> issued any 'official warning' that both of the WTC
>>>> towers were going to be turned into rubble.

>>>> There wasnt even a single 'official warning' from
>>>> anyone that flying a commercial jetliner into one of
>>>> those towers would produce a result like that either.

>>> 26 July 2001
>>> "Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a
>>> weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered
>>> government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

>> Doesnt qualify as an 'official warning' from one of
>> those country you listed that both of the WTC towers
>> were going to be turned into rubble, pathological liar.

> Only a fool would fail to find evidence of these warnings:

> Germany: Middle East terrorists were "planning to
> hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack
> important symbols of American and Israeli culture"

Any pathological liar can make a claim like that.
How odd that you dont actually have a cite for that.

> Egypt: Similar warnings in the same month, resulting
> in anti-aircraft batteries were placed around Columbus
> Airport in Italy prior to the G-8 meeting.

Even someone as stupid as you must
have noticed that Italy aint the US, fool.

> Russia(Putin): warned of 25 pilots who had been trained
> for suicide missions, "in the strongest possible terms"

Any pathological liar can make a claim like that.
How odd that you dont actually have a cite for that.

Pity that aint specific to the US either.

> Israel: "a major assault on the United States" against
> "a large-scale target" that was "very vulnerable."

Absolutely no news to anyone given the
previous deliberate attacks on the WTC, fool.

And you dont have a cite for that anyway.

Where's the one from the UK eh ? Dog lunched on it did it ?

>>> In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft
>>> was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of
>>> commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what
>>> it called a 'threat assessment' by the FBI,

>> Even you should be able to grasp that that doesnt qualify as
>> an 'official warning' from one of those country, pathological liar.

> This is even better evidence, fool, because it shows
> that the US actually DID act on the warnings.

More of your pathological lying. Not a shred of evidence
that that was AS A RESULT OF YOUR PURPORTED
OFFICIAL WARNINGS FROM ONE OF THOSE
PURPORTED SEVEN COUNTRYS, not one of
which you can actually provide a citation for.

>>> and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel
>>> only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

>> That was as a result of other terrorist attacks
>> like the previous attacks on the WTC, fool.

>>> 'There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines.
>>> He is acting under the guidelines', an FBI spokesman said.

>> Even you should be able to grasp that that doesnt qualify as
>> an 'official warning' from one of those country, pathological liar.

>>> Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would
>>> identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it".
>>> (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml)

>> Even you should be able to grasp that that doesnt qualify as
>> an 'official warning' from one of those country, pathological liar.

>> And if thats the best you can manage to cite...

> I was under the impression that the FBI existed to protect the public,

That's just ONE of its roles, fool.

> that it was not merely Sir John Ashcroft's personal security service.

Even you should be able to bull**** your way out of
your predicament better than that pathetic effort, fool.

Even someone as stupid as you should be able to grasp
who heads up that bit of the US administration too.

And that the yanks dont bother with knighthoods too.

>>>>> Oops. that's only 6

>>>> You're a pathological liar, Foster.

>>> I'm in excellent company it seems

>> Nope, pathological liars dont qualify on that, fool.

> Egypt. Damn, that's the hardest to remember
> because it seems so...unlikely. Even Egypt.

Easy to claim, fool. Pity about no cite whatever, for any of them.

B J Foster
July 21st 03, 05:41 AM
Stephen GoldenGun wrote:
> B J Foster > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>>Stephen GoldenGun wrote:
>>
>>>ypauls > wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>
>>>>And some still want to squabble about whether Saddam had vile weapons or
>>>>not...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Saddam certainly did, he always modelled himself after Joe
>>>>>and was happy to rave on about how Stalin's approach was
>>>>>the only way to operate to anyone prepared to listen.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Totally True. I think proof is that he had them, and therefore most
>>
> likely
>
>>>that still has them, this can be accuratey deduced from his record.
>>>
>>>I think it was enough that he was trying to get weapons of mass
>>
> destruction
>
>>>he would then threaten israel, and the whole middle east would go up in
>>>flames.
>>>
>>>Also now, no country in their right mind would harber any Alkaida or
>>
> similar
>
>>>terrorists, unless it wanted to face serious action.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>All cogent, coherent, good arguments. If they had been made by Bush and
>>Blair, I would have accepted them. Having researched Saddam's track
>>record, I would have accepted an invasion without ANY justification.
>>So that leads to the question: Why lie?
>
>
>
> Thanks for the compliment BJ, nice to have a difference of opinion with a
> civilised person. Putting the points about "heroin" to one side, I have to
> admit I'm not that familiar with what he said or how he said it, I was more
> concentrating on the build up to the war etc.
> So I just wondered why they built such a case about WMD? I mean nothing is
> black and white and it is probably difficult or impossible to know exactly
> the true situation...
> I think it brings us down to the question or interperation of "what is a lie
> and what is just good intentions" that did'nt materialise.........
> I think for the definition of lie, would have to be outright untruths, but
> saying you believe something and it not happening is perhaps a sighty
> different thing?
>
> Incidentally I would welcome your opinion on the scientist who has
> apparantly committed suicide? Do you think their was anything sinister
> behind this?
>

I don't know what to believe but it doesn't look good.

Stephen GoldenGun
July 21st 03, 05:56 AM
B J Foster > wrote in message
...
>
>
I don't dispute heroine is bad! We all know that. I am just making the
simple point that its got nothing to do with fighting terrorism, and if it
is ony ancilliary that if we are over their we may be able to stop some of
it, or make it more difficult, however, it is not the reason, nor should it
be..

Heroine is a separate issue and not related to the war on terrorism. in my
opinion.


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Rod Speed
July 21st 03, 06:37 AM
B J Foster > wrote in message
...
> Rod Speed wrote
>> B J Foster > wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> B J Foster > wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> B J Foster > wrote

> >>>>>>>>>Presumably the intelligence got it wrong, particularly the most
> >>>>>>>>>unlikely claims that they could deliver stuff in 45 minutes.
> >>>>>>>>
> >
> >>>>>>>>>Only a fool is stupid enough to expect
> >>>>>>>>>that intelligence will always be perfect.
> >>>>>>>>
> >
> >>>>>>>>Like they 'got wrong' official warnings from no
> >>>>>>>>less than SEVEN other countries about 9-11?
> >>>>>>>
> >
> >>>>>>>There were no 'official warnings' from any country
> >>>>>>>that something like that was likely to happen.
> >>>>>>
> >
> >>>>>>UK, Germany, France, Israel, Morocco, Russia.
> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>>Lie. You cant cite even a single one of those that
> >>>>>issued any 'official warning' that both of the WTC
> >>>>>towers were going to be turned into rubble.
> >>>>
> >
> >>>>>There wasnt even a single 'official warning' from
> >>>>>anyone that flying a commercial jetliner into one of
> >>>>>those towers would produce a result like that either.
> >>>>
> >
> >>>>26 July 2001
> >>>>"Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a
> >>>>weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered
> >>>>government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.
> >>>
> >
> >>>Doesnt qualify as an 'official warning' from one of
> >>>those country you listed that both of the WTC towers
> >>>were going to be turned into rubble, pathological liar.
> >>
> >
> >>Only a fool would fail to find evidence of these warnings:
> >
> >
> >>Germany: Middle East terrorists were "planning to
> >>hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack
> >>important symbols of American and Israeli culture"
> >
> >
> > Any pathological liar can make a claim like that.
> > How odd that you dont actually have a cite for that.

> YOU find it:
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=%22BND+warns+the+CIA%22

Anyone can pull a stunt like that, liar. Provide a real cite.

> >
> >
> >>Egypt: Similar warnings in the same month, resulting
> >>in anti-aircraft batteries were placed around Columbus
> >>Airport in Italy prior to the G-8 meeting.
> >
> >
> > Even someone as stupid as you must
> > have noticed that Italy aint the US, fool.

> Yes, actually, I did.

Soorree, doesnt qualify as one of your 7.

> Another difference: They took steps to defend against the attack.

Pity that wasnt even possible with as
vague a claim as that with the US, fool.

Nothing to say about these other lies of yours eh ? Figures.

> >>Russia(Putin): warned of 25 pilots who had been trained
> >>for suicide missions, "in the strongest possible terms"
> >
> >
> > Any pathological liar can make a claim like that.
> > How odd that you dont actually have a cite for that.
> >
> > Pity that aint specific to the US either.
> >
> >
> >>Israel: "a major assault on the United States" against
> >>"a large-scale target" that was "very vulnerable."
> >
> >
> > Absolutely no news to anyone given the
> > previous deliberate attacks on the WTC, fool.
> >
> > And you dont have a cite for that anyway.
> >
> > Where's the one from the UK eh ? Dog lunched on it did it ?
> >
> >
> >>>>In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft
> >>>>was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of
> >>>>commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what
> >>>>it called a 'threat assessment' by the FBI,
> >>>
> >
> >>>Even you should be able to grasp that that doesnt qualify as
> >>>an 'official warning' from one of those country, pathological liar.
> >>
> >
> >>This is even better evidence, fool, because it shows
> >>that the US actually DID act on the warnings.
> >
> >
> > More of your pathological lying. Not a shred of evidence
> > that that was AS A RESULT OF YOUR PURPORTED
> > OFFICIAL WARNINGS FROM ONE OF THOSE
> > PURPORTED SEVEN COUNTRYS, not one of
> > which you can actually provide a citation for.
> >
> >
> >>>>and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel
> >>>>only by private jet for the remainder of his term.
> >>>
> >
> >>>That was as a result of other terrorist attacks
> >>>like the previous attacks on the WTC, fool.
> >>
> >
> >>>>'There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines.
> >>>>He is acting under the guidelines', an FBI spokesman said.
> >>>
> >
> >>>Even you should be able to grasp that that doesnt qualify as
> >>>an 'official warning' from one of those country, pathological liar.
> >>
> >
> >>>>Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would
> >>>>identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it".
> >>>>(http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml)
> >>>
> >
> >>>Even you should be able to grasp that that doesnt qualify as
> >>>an 'official warning' from one of those country, pathological liar.
> >>
> >
> >>>And if thats the best you can manage to cite...
> >>
> >
> >>I was under the impression that the FBI existed to protect the public,
> >
> >
> > That's just ONE of its roles, fool.
> >
> >
> >>that it was not merely Sir John Ashcroft's personal security service.
> >
> >
> > Even you should be able to bull**** your way out of
> > your predicament better than that pathetic effort, fool.
> >
> > Even someone as stupid as you should be able to grasp
> > who heads up that bit of the US administration too.
> >
> > And that the yanks dont bother with knighthoods too.

> Not as such, so why did Sir John get preferential
> treatment over the 7,000 victims of the WTC attack?

Even someone as stupid as you should have
noticed that the Prez does in spades, fool.

> >>>>>>Oops. that's only 6
> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>>You're a pathological liar, Foster.
> >>>>
> >
> >>>>I'm in excellent company it seems
> >>>
> >
> >>>Nope, pathological liars dont qualify on that, fool.
> >>
> >
> >>Egypt. Damn, that's the hardest to remember
> >>because it seems so...unlikely. Even Egypt.
> >
> >
> > Easy to claim, fool. Pity about no cite whatever, for any of them.

> Do your own research,

YOU spewed those lies.
YOU get to provide the cites.
THATS how it works, pathological liar.

B J Foster
July 21st 03, 06:48 AM
Rod Speed wrote:
> "B J Foster" > wrote in message ...
>
<snip>
>>...
>>Much of the country remains in the hands of warlords who pay lip service
>>to their alliance with the US and the government in Kabul, while running
>>their territory effectively as a feudal fiefdom".
>>(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2857017.stm)
>>
>>
>>IOW, despite the tonnes of bombs dropped on Afghanistan and the
>>illusion that the war is over, evil continues to pour out of the country
>
>
> And even you must have noticed that
> the Talibums dont run the show anymore.
>

Yup, that's why heroin is pouring out in greater quantities than ever
before. Even Pakistan is not amused.

>
>>- not in the form of suicide bombers but now in the form of heroin.
>
>
> Only because pathetic creatures in first world countrys CHOOSE to buy it.
>
>
>

Rod Speed
July 21st 03, 07:18 AM
"B J Foster" > wrote in message ...
>
>
> Rod Speed wrote:
> > B J Foster > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> <snip>
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>Presumably the intelligence got it wrong, particularly the most
> >>>>>>>>>>>unlikely claims that they could deliver stuff in 45 minutes.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Only a fool is stupid enough to expect
> >>>>>>>>>>>that intelligence will always be perfect.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Like they 'got wrong' official warnings from no
> >>>>>>>>>>less than SEVEN other countries about 9-11?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>There were no 'official warnings' from any country
> >>>>>>>>>that something like that was likely to happen.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>UK, Germany, France, Israel, Morocco, Russia.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Lie. You cant cite even a single one of those that
> >>>>>>>issued any 'official warning' that both of the WTC
> >>>>>>>towers were going to be turned into rubble.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>There wasnt even a single 'official warning' from
> >>>>>>>anyone that flying a commercial jetliner into one of
> >>>>>>>those towers would produce a result like that either.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>26 July 2001
> >>>>>>"Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a
> >>>>>>weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered
> >>>>>>government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Doesnt qualify as an 'official warning' from one of
> >>>>>those country you listed that both of the WTC towers
> >>>>>were going to be turned into rubble, pathological liar.
> >>>>
> >>>>Only a fool would fail to find evidence of these warnings:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Germany: Middle East terrorists were "planning to
> >>>>hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack
> >>>>important symbols of American and Israeli culture"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Any pathological liar can make a claim like that.
> >>>How odd that you dont actually have a cite for that.
> >>
> >
> >>YOU find it:
> >
> > http://www.google.com.au/search?q=%22BND+warns+the+CIA%22
> >
> > Anyone can pull a stunt like that, liar. Provide a real cite.
> >
>
> "Results 1 - 10 of about 244. Search took 0.06 seconds"

More of your pathologic lying on a valid cite.

Rod Speed
July 21st 03, 07:21 AM
B J Foster > wrote in
message ...
> Rod Speed wrote
>> B J Foster > wrote

>>> Much of the country remains in the hands of warlords who pay
>>> lip service to their alliance with the US and the government in
>>> Kabul, while running their territory effectively as a feudal fiefdom".
>>> (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2857017.stm)

>>> IOW, despite the tonnes of bombs dropped on Afghanistan and the
>>> illusion that the war is over, evil continues to pour out of the country

>> And even you must have noticed that
>> the Talibums dont run the show anymore.

> Yup, that's why heroin is pouring out
> in greater quantities than ever before.

Wrong. As always.

> Even Pakistan is not amused.

Who cares ?

Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.

Behave yourselves or you'll be next.

>>> - not in the form of suicide bombers but now in the form of heroin.

>> Only because pathetic creatures in first world countrys CHOOSE to buy it.

Rod Speed
July 21st 03, 07:30 AM
B J Foster > wrote in
message ...

>>>>> Note that I'm not trying to paint a nice picture of the Taliban -
>>>>> obviously they were harbouring OBL and exporting terrorism
>>>>> and there were other good reasons to shut them down.

>>>>> The point is that Blair advanced heroin as a reason for invasion
>>>>> and therefore he should get on with the job of closing down the Afghan
>>>>> heroin operation or he's utterly devoid of any integrity in this respect.

>>>> BJ it could'nt have been a strong one,

And it turns out it wasnt. Just one mention of heroin in the entire speech.

Hardly surprising that you missed it.

>>>> I am very poltically aware and it was never
>>>> on t.v. it was never debated, it was not in
>>>> the general public arena..I don't believe.

> >>The address was made at the Labour Party conference.

>> It was in fact just one of the 'reasons' for the invasion.

>>> It was widely reported, including on
>>> Australian TV and Internet news services.

>> There aint too many that bother with
>> speeches to labour party conferences.

> You're right, especially now. There aint too
> many that will bother with Tony Blair's speeches.

Wont change a thing on who bothers with them at all. You watch.

And what matters aint speeches, its what gets done, stupid.

>> Cant imagine why for the life of me.

>>> Here is the full text:
>>> http://politics.guardian.co.uk/labour2001/story/0,1414,562006,00.html

>>> It was a great speech, very moving, mostly spot on target.
>>> Not much to debate - his points were mostly correct.

>> So there aint no point in you chucking a tantrum about
>> that bit and demanding he resign or get sacked due to it.

> Especially pointed was his claim that they're killing "our children".

More of your pathological lying. He didnt say that in that speech.

> Don't you think we ought to ask him what he's done about it?

Nope. Even someone as stupid as you should
have noticed that not one first world country
has ever done much effective about heroin at all.

> Or don't you believe in holding politicians accountable?

Nope, not when there is only a single mention of heroin
in that entire speech. Only a terminally woollyminded
fool would be that stupid on that particular word used.

Stephen GoldenGun
July 21st 03, 07:55 AM
Rod Speed > wrote in message
...
>
> B J Foster > wrote in
> message ...
> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> B J Foster > wrote
>
> >>> Much of the country remains in the hands of warlords who pay
> >>> lip service to their alliance with the US and the government in
> >>> Kabul, while running their territory effectively as a feudal fiefdom".
> >>> (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2857017.stm)
>
> >>> IOW, despite the tonnes of bombs dropped on Afghanistan and the
> >>> illusion that the war is over, evil continues to pour out of the
country
>
> >> And even you must have noticed that
> >> the Talibums dont run the show anymore.
>
> > Yup, that's why heroin is pouring out
> > in greater quantities than ever before.
>
> Wrong. As always.
>
> > Even Pakistan is not amused.

Since when would Pakland ever care about heroin? They freely trade in
heroine. If you go to the Eastern Part of Pakistan, there is a "tribal
autonomous region" in this area, it is run by warlords who trade in heroin
and weapons. It is big business, in pakland which is of course desperately
poor it is still their....

Of course they don't want it in their country, but do you think they care if
it gets exported to the west? Heck no.
>
> Who cares ?
>
> Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
> geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.
>
> Behave yourselves or you'll be next.
>
> >>> - not in the form of suicide bombers but now in the form of heroin.
>
> >> Only because pathetic creatures in first world countrys CHOOSE to buy
it.
>
>
>


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Stephen GoldenGun
July 21st 03, 07:58 AM
B J Foster > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Rod Speed wrote:
> > B J Foster > wrote in
> > message ...
> >
> >>Rod Speed wrote
> >>
> >>>B J Foster > wrote
> >>
> >
> >>>>Much of the country remains in the hands of warlords who pay
> >>>>lip service to their alliance with the US and the government in
> >>>>Kabul, while running their territory effectively as a feudal fiefdom".
> >>>>(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2857017.stm)

Lips Service? nooo it is a bit more than lip service!


However you want to look at it sitting from the comfort of your chair behind
your computer, when you see the shocking, terrifying power of the precision
guided munitions and firepower that can be directed at the flick of a
military button, you do not "pay lip service".

Whatever warlords think of the US/UK they do not pay lip service, they maybe
have their own self interest at heart, as everybody does...but their is such
thing as mutual trust, and mutual advantage....

> >>>
> >
> >>>>IOW, despite the tonnes of bombs dropped on Afghanistan and the
> >>>>illusion that the war is over, evil continues to pour out of the
country
> >>>
> >
> >>>And even you must have noticed that
> >>>the Talibums dont run the show anymore.
> >>
> >
> >>Yup, that's why heroin is pouring out
> >>in greater quantities than ever before.
> >
> >
> > Wrong. As always.
>
> "Afghanistan 'heroin capital'
>
> AFGHANISTAN has toppled Burma as the world's top source of illicit opium
> ...
> The International Narcotics Control Strategy Report, collated by the
> State Department from US posts abroad, said the area under opium
> cultivation in the country last year reached 30,750 hectares.
>
> The figure rose from a low of 1,685 hectares in 2001 after the
> fundamentalist Taliban, later ousted by a US-led war, banned opium
> production".
>
(http://www.themercury.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,6063899%255E401,
00.html)
>
> Some rough arithmetic: 20x the former production, or a 2000% increase
>
> >
> >
> >>Even Pakistan is not amused.
> >
> >
> > Who cares ?
>
> India, for a start
>
> >
> > Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
> > geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.
> >
> > Behave yourselves or you'll be next.
>
> Who's threatening, Osacre? or is it Freddo? or Rocket Rod this time?
>
> >
> >
> >>>>- not in the form of suicide bombers but now in the form of heroin.
> >>>
> >
> >>>Only because pathetic creatures in first world countrys CHOOSE to buy
it.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>


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B J Foster
July 21st 03, 08:41 AM
Rod Speed wrote:
> B J Foster > wrote in
> message ...
>
>>Rod Speed wrote
>>
>>>B J Foster > wrote
>>>
>>>>Rod Speed wrote
>>>>
>>>>>B J Foster > wrote
>>>>
>
>>>>>>Much of the country remains in the hands of warlords who pay
>>>>>>lip service to their alliance with the US and the government in
>>>>>>Kabul, while running their territory effectively as a feudal fiefdom".
>>>>>>(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2857017.stm)
>>>>>
>
>>>>>>IOW, despite the tonnes of bombs dropped on Afghanistan and the
>>>>>>illusion that the war is over, evil continues to pour out of the country
>>>>>
>
>>>>>And even you must have noticed that
>>>>>the Talibums dont run the show anymore.
>>>>
>
>>>>Yup, that's why heroin is pouring out
>>>>in greater quantities than ever before.
>>>
>
>>>Wrong. As always.
>>
>
>>"Afghanistan 'heroin capital'
>
>
>>AFGHANISTAN has toppled Burma as the world's top source of illicit opium
>
>
> Doesnt say a damned thing about your lie 'heroin
> is pouring out in greater quantities than ever before'

Could be that they're consuming it themselves, or maybe supplying it to
the US forces - its happened before. Why what's your theory?

>
>
>>The International Narcotics Control Strategy Report, collated by the
>>State Department from US posts abroad, said the area under opium
>>cultivation in the country last year reached 30,750 hectares.
>
>
> Doesnt say a damned thing about your lie 'heroin
> is pouring out in greater quantities than ever before'
>
>
>>The figure rose from a low of 1,685 hectares
>>in 2001 after the fundamentalist Taliban, later
>>ousted by a US-led war, banned opium production".
>>(http://www.themercury.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,6063899%255E401,00.html)
>
>
> Doesnt say a damned thing about your lie 'heroin
> is pouring out in greater quantities than ever before'
>
>
>>Some rough arithmetic: 20x the former production, or a 2000% increase
>
>
> Doesnt say a damned thing about your lie 'heroin
> is pouring out in greater quantities than ever before'
>
>
>>>>Even Pakistan is not amused.
>>>
>
>>>Who cares ?
>>
>
>>India, for a start
>
>
> Who cares ?
>
>
>>>Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
>>>geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.
>>
>
>>>Behave yourselves or you'll be next.
>>
>


Who's threatening, Osacre? or is it Freddo? or Rocket Rod this time?

Rod Speed
July 21st 03, 09:31 AM
B J Foster > wrote in
message ...
> Rod Speed wrote
>> B J Foster > wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> B J Foster > wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> B J Foster > wrote

>>>>>>> Much of the country remains in the hands of warlords who pay
>>>>>>> lip service to their alliance with the US and the government in
>>>>>>> Kabul, while running their territory effectively as a feudal fiefdom".
>>>>>>> (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2857017.stm)

>>>>>>> IOW, despite the tonnes of bombs dropped on Afghanistan and the
>>>>>>> illusion that the war is over, evil continues to pour out of the country

>>>>>> And even you must have noticed that
>>>>>> the Talibums dont run the show anymore.

>>>>> Yup, that's why heroin is pouring out
>>>>> in greater quantities than ever before.

>>>> Wrong. As always.

>>> "Afghanistan 'heroin capital'

>>> AFGHANISTAN has toppled Burma as
>>> the world's top source of illicit opium

>> Doesnt say a damned thing about your lie 'heroin
>> is pouring out in greater quantities than ever before'

> Could be that they're consuming it themselves,
> or maybe supplying it to the US forces - its
> happened before. Why what's your theory?

Even you should be able to bull**** your way out
of your predicament better than that pathetic effort.

>>> The International Narcotics Control Strategy Report, collated by the
>>> State Department from US posts abroad, said the area under opium
>>> cultivation in the country last year reached 30,750 hectares.

>> Doesnt say a damned thing about your lie 'heroin
>> is pouring out in greater quantities than ever before'

>>> The figure rose from a low of 1,685 hectares
>>> in 2001 after the fundamentalist Taliban, later
>>> ousted by a US-led war, banned opium production".
>>> (http://www.themercury.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,6063899%255E401,00.html)

>> Doesnt say a damned thing about your lie 'heroin
>> is pouring out in greater quantities than ever before'

>>> Some rough arithmetic: 20x the former production, or a 2000% increase

>> Doesnt say a damned thing about your lie 'heroin
>> is pouring out in greater quantities than ever before'

>>>>> Even Pakistan is not amused.

>>>> Who cares ?

>>> India, for a start

>> Who cares ?

>>>> Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
>>>> geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.

>>>> Behave yourselves or you'll be next.

> Who's threatening,

Even you should have noticed something as basic as that.

Stephen GoldenGun
July 21st 03, 09:42 AM
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>
>
>
> >>>> Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
> >>>> geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.
>
> >>>> Behave yourselves or you'll be next.
>
> > Who's threatening,
>
> Even you should have noticed something as basic as that.

I still have no idea, how this "opium" probem came into the equation. surely
by anybodies account it has to be a sideline issue? Drugs are their
everywhere in the world, and have been for decades..its a gobal problem,
nothing to do with the war on terrorism surely?
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> > > >>>> Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
> > > >>>> geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.
> > >
> > > >>>> Behave yourselves or you'll be next.
> > >
> > > > Who's threatening,
> > >
> > > Even you should have noticed something as basic as that.
>
> > I still have no idea, how this "opium" probem came into the equation.
>
> Its the only thing he could put the boot into Tony about.

Yes, well, I would think that "objective" viewpoints when thinking in terms
of politics is the first order of the day! It is just as bad as ulogising
and thinking that Tony can do no wrong!
>
> > surely by anybodies account it has to be a sideline issue?
>
> Yep, it only got a single mention in Tony's speech.

One thing I'll say Rod, and that is that Tony realy has aged beyond his six
or so years in power! I have noticed that the job really ages people.have
you noticed this?
>
> > Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for decades..
> > its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism surely?
>
> Yep.
>
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> > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >>>> Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
> > > > >>>> geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.
> > > >
> > > > >>>> Behave yourselves or you'll be next.
> > > >
> > > > > Who's threatening,
> > > >
> > > > Even you should have noticed something as basic as that.
> >
> > > I still have no idea, how this "opium" probem came into the equation.
> >
> > Its the only thing he could put the boot into Tony about.
>
> Yes, well, I would think that "objective" viewpoints when thinking in terms
> of politics is the first order of the day! It is just as bad as ulogising
> and thinking that Tony can do no wrong!
> >
> > > surely by anybodies account it has to be a sideline issue?
> >
> > Yep, it only got a single mention in Tony's speech.

> One thing I'll say Rod, and that is that Tony realy
> has aged beyond his six or so years in power!

Yeah, I thought the same thing about the
shots of him after the suicide of Kelly.

> I have noticed that the job really
> ages people.have you noticed this?

Dunno, Maggie didnt have anything like that effect.

Niether did Slick Willy either.

Nor Dubbya's Dad.

Ronny Raygun did to some extent, but he ended up with
Altzheimers so it was likely just the early effects of that.

Even Gorby didnt look too bad in a very recent doco,
tho he did damned near burst into tears in front of the
camera on how things had panned out for him. More
due to the death of Raisa than anything else.

Mandela is still catting around pretty energetically apparently.

>>> Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for decades..
>>> its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism surely?

>> Yep.

Stephen GoldenGun
July 21st 03, 10:31 AM
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> > > >
> > > > Rod Speed > wrote in message
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> > > > >
> > > > > >>>> Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
> > > > > >>>> geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.
> > > > >
> > > > > >>>> Behave yourselves or you'll be next.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Who's threatening,
> > > > >
> > > > > Even you should have noticed something as basic as that.
> > >
> > > > I still have no idea, how this "opium" probem came into the
equation.
> > >
> > > Its the only thing he could put the boot into Tony about.
> >
> > Yes, well, I would think that "objective" viewpoints when thinking in
terms
> > of politics is the first order of the day! It is just as bad as
ulogising
> > and thinking that Tony can do no wrong!
> > >
> > > > surely by anybodies account it has to be a sideline issue?
> > >
> > > Yep, it only got a single mention in Tony's speech.
>
> > One thing I'll say Rod, and that is that Tony realy
> > has aged beyond his six or so years in power!
>
> Yeah, I thought the same thing about the
> shots of him after the suicide of Kelly.
>
> > I have noticed that the job really
> > ages people.have you noticed this?
>
> Dunno, Maggie didnt have anything like that effect.
>
> Niether did Slick Willy either.
>
> Nor Dubbya's Dad.
>
> Ronny Raygun did to some extent, but he ended up with
> Altzheimers so it was likely just the early effects of that.
>
> Even Gorby didnt look too bad in a very recent doco,
> tho he did damned near burst into tears in front of the
> camera on how things had panned out for him. More
> due to the death of Raisa than anything else.

I liked Gorby, really he's a damned fine man! People never ever realise what
he did...nobody ever gets credit in this life for the truly great things
they do.
Thousands of young people are having opportunites now that are directy
thanks to him..Hardly any ofthem appreciate how things "could be" ..i'm
talking about all those people in the eastern blocs.

Did you know that Gorby lost about 2/3rds of his life savings, after the
rouble crashed!
>
> Mandela is still catting around pretty energetically apparently.

Yah, he looks good, I guess it depends how you handle the stress and the
job..I tell you something, the style of president that George Bush Jnr has
does'nt seem to stress him nor phase him at all. I think he really leads by
"delegation".he's a good delagator, and he trusts his team, and I think they
trust him also ...

He's more trustworthy than Slick Willy if the **** hits the fan...
>
> >>> Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for decades..
> >>> its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism surely?
>
> >> Yep.
>
>
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July 21st 03, 10:50 AM
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>

>
>
> > Do you actually know who said that originally?
>
> Me. Oh, you mean the last sentance. Thats got one hell
> of an british colonial history. Not sure who said it first.
>
> Bet you cant say who said 'fire when ready, Gridley'
> Bet you'll cheat and use google.

No I'm not going to cheat..that sounds like a fair and square challenge to
me, I can't resist any intellectual challenge!

OK, how about this.......It must have been someone like Nelson........must
have been...It could'nt have been mutch earlier.
>
> Fark, just tried that with 'Shoot when you can
> see the whites of their eyes' Guess who turns up ?

No idea..I had an inkling it was Rober E Lee...

>
> > I am trying to remember but can't....
> > was it General Robert E. Lee?
>
> http://phrases.shu.ac.uk/bulletin_board/18/messages/305.html
> claims Agnew.
>
> >>>> And dont take the coward's way out and slash your wrists either.


>
> >>> LOL you surely have a good sense of humour>
>

>
> >>> having some fun...and noone would be any the wiser..
>
> >> Indeed.
>
> > Also your posting in accordance to US time,
>
> Nope.
>
> > right now you must be posting from the USA.
>
> Guess again.

Australia?
>
> Hint: you wont be getting any offer from Langley any time soon.



See you say things that nobody would say, what made you say that? Well
thats their loss!!! And I am not Joe King!
> It wasnt meant to...
>
> > so it aroused my curiousity,
> > sorry if I'm being intrusively nosey.
>
> Dont mind at all.
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> > > > > > >>>> Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
> > > > > > >>>> geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>>> Behave yourselves or you'll be next.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Who's threatening,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Even you should have noticed something as basic as that.
> > > >
> > > > > I still have no idea, how this "opium" probem came into the
> equation.
> > > >
> > > > Its the only thing he could put the boot into Tony about.
> > >
> > > Yes, well, I would think that "objective" viewpoints when thinking in
> terms
> > > of politics is the first order of the day! It is just as bad as
> ulogising
> > > and thinking that Tony can do no wrong!
> > > >
> > > > > surely by anybodies account it has to be a sideline issue?
> > > >
> > > > Yep, it only got a single mention in Tony's speech.
> >
> > > One thing I'll say Rod, and that is that Tony realy
> > > has aged beyond his six or so years in power!
> >
> > Yeah, I thought the same thing about the
> > shots of him after the suicide of Kelly.
> >
> > > I have noticed that the job really
> > > ages people.have you noticed this?
> >
> > Dunno, Maggie didnt have anything like that effect.
> >
> > Niether did Slick Willy either.
> >
> > Nor Dubbya's Dad.
> >
> > Ronny Raygun did to some extent, but he ended up with
> > Altzheimers so it was likely just the early effects of that.
> >
> > Even Gorby didnt look too bad in a very recent doco,
> > tho he did damned near burst into tears in front of the
> > camera on how things had panned out for him. More
> > due to the death of Raisa than anything else.

> I liked Gorby, really he's a damned fine man!

Yeah, tho I wasnt too thrilled about what he got up to with
Latvia and Estonia. Did a hell of a lot better with the GDR.

And didnt manage anything like as an effective a transition as
that Deng Xiaoping. Obscene little ogre/dwarf tho he also was.

> People never ever realise what he did...nobody ever
> gets credit in this life for the truly great things they do.

Dunno, Mandela did.

> Thousands of young people are having opportunites
> now that are directy thanks to him..Hardly any of
> them appreciate how things "could be" ..i'm
> talking about all those people in the eastern blocs.

Yeah, many of them hate him with a passion. Plenty dont too.

> Did you know that Gorby lost about 2/3rds
> of his life savings, after the rouble crashed!

Yeah, he spelt all that out in that doco.

Pretty pungent remarks about Yeltsin too.

>> Mandela is still catting around pretty energetically apparently.

> Yah, he looks good, I guess it depends
> how you handle the stress and the job..

Yeah, it certainly has a big impact on some.

> I tell you something, the style of president that George Bush
> Jnr has does'nt seem to stress him nor phase him at all.

Yeah, interesting character.

His dad has one hell of a sense of humor too. I can
still picture in my mind him pretending to give Barbara
a kick in the bum about spinach or something |-)

> I think he really leads by "delegation".he's a good delagator,
> and he trusts his team, and I think they trust him also ...

Yeah, looks like it.

> He's more trustworthy than Slick Willy if the **** hits the fan...

True. Slick did pretty well thru to the end
tho, his parting video clip was hilarious.

> > >>> Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for decades..
> > >>> its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism surely?
> >
> > >> Yep.

Stephen GoldenGun
July 21st 03, 11:23 AM
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> > > > > > > >>>> Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
> > > > > > > >>>> geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>>> Behave yourselves or you'll be next.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Who's threatening,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Even you should have noticed something as basic as that.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I still have no idea, how this "opium" probem came into the
> > equation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Its the only thing he could put the boot into Tony about.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, well, I would think that "objective" viewpoints when thinking
in
> > terms
> > > > of politics is the first order of the day! It is just as bad as
> > ulogising
> > > > and thinking that Tony can do no wrong!
> > > > >
> > > > > > surely by anybodies account it has to be a sideline issue?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yep, it only got a single mention in Tony's speech.
> > >
> > > > One thing I'll say Rod, and that is that Tony realy
> > > > has aged beyond his six or so years in power!
> > >
> > > Yeah, I thought the same thing about the
> > > shots of him after the suicide of Kelly.
> > >
> > > > I have noticed that the job really
> > > > ages people.have you noticed this?
> > >
> > > Dunno, Maggie didnt have anything like that effect.
> > >
> > > Niether did Slick Willy either.
> > >
> > > Nor Dubbya's Dad.
> > >
> > > Ronny Raygun did to some extent, but he ended up with
> > > Altzheimers so it was likely just the early effects of that.
> > >
> > > Even Gorby didnt look too bad in a very recent doco,
> > > tho he did damned near burst into tears in front of the
> > > camera on how things had panned out for him. More
> > > due to the death of Raisa than anything else.
>
> > I liked Gorby, really he's a damned fine man!
>
> Yeah, tho I wasnt too thrilled about what he got up to with
> Latvia and Estonia. Did a hell of a lot better with the GDR.
>
> And didnt manage anything like as an effective a transition as
> that Deng Xiaoping. Obscene little ogre/dwarf tho he also was.
>
> > People never ever realise what he did...nobody ever
> > gets credit in this life for the truly great things they do.
>
> Dunno, Mandela did.
>
> > Thousands of young people are having opportunites
> > now that are directy thanks to him..Hardly any of
> > them appreciate how things "could be" ..i'm
> > talking about all those people in the eastern blocs.
>
> Yeah, many of them hate him with a passion. Plenty dont too.

I think its the older generation...which I don't bame, things where going
along ok...but now, everythings a bit up in the air, their currencies get
buffeted about like the wind. The younger lot look towards Europe for
opportunities whilst the older generations look towards old mother russia as
they see their security crumble. I understand where they are comming from..

>
> > Did you know that Gorby lost about 2/3rds
> > of his life savings, after the rouble crashed!
>
> Yeah, he spelt all that out in that doco.
You seem to love your docos.

You saw him in a documentary? I have never seen a documentary about him, but
I suppose their must be one about somewhere.which documentary was that then,
I would be interested to see it.
>
> Pretty pungent remarks about Yeltsin too.

Oh really? Yeltsin was a drunk, this is a genetic trait of the russians,
they along with the polish are real alcoholics sadly.
>
> >> Mandela is still catting around pretty energetically apparently.
>
> > Yah, he looks good, I guess it depends
> > how you handle the stress and the job..
>
> Yeah, it certainly has a big impact on some.
>
> > I tell you something, the style of president that George Bush
> > Jnr has does'nt seem to stress him nor phase him at all.
>
> Yeah, interesting character.

Rather understated, yes, the single most poweful man in the world. You can
see how tough he is from his face...He's probably even tougher than his
dad.Thats just my thoughts...he's tougher than Bill, and probably tougher
than my ole fave Ronnald Raygun. I seriously woud not **** this President
off if I was a country...really out of all the presidents post vietnam, this
is the one I would not mess around with at all!
>
> His dad has one hell of a sense of humor too. I can
> still picture in my mind him pretending to give Barbara
> a kick in the bum about spinach or something |-)

How did you picture that?? Where you with them?

>
> > I think he really leads by "delegation".he's a good delagator,
> > and he trusts his team, and I think they trust him also ...
>
> Yeah, looks like it.

He is very very religious, he prays regulary and he does not over work
himself, he works smart. Yah he's good. I like him, he's a tough texan, by
god I really really think he's tough...alot of texans are quite
tough...actually...(sweeping generalisation I know)
>
> > He's more trustworthy than Slick Willy if the **** hits the fan...
>
> True. Slick did pretty well thru to the end
> tho, his parting video clip was hilarious.

Don't tell me Rod, not another of your "docs"????
>
> > > >>> Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for
decades..
> > > >>> its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism
surely?
> > >
> > > >> Yep.
>
>
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> > > > > > > > >>>> Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
> > > > > > > > >>>> geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>>> Behave yourselves or you'll be next.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Who's threatening,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Even you should have noticed something as basic as that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I still have no idea, how this "opium" probem came into the
> > > equation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Its the only thing he could put the boot into Tony about.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, well, I would think that "objective" viewpoints when thinking
> in
> > > terms
> > > > > of politics is the first order of the day! It is just as bad as
> > > ulogising
> > > > > and thinking that Tony can do no wrong!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > surely by anybodies account it has to be a sideline issue?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yep, it only got a single mention in Tony's speech.
> > > >
> > > > > One thing I'll say Rod, and that is that Tony realy
> > > > > has aged beyond his six or so years in power!
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, I thought the same thing about the
> > > > shots of him after the suicide of Kelly.
> > > >
> > > > > I have noticed that the job really
> > > > > ages people.have you noticed this?
> > > >
> > > > Dunno, Maggie didnt have anything like that effect.
> > > >
> > > > Niether did Slick Willy either.
> > > >
> > > > Nor Dubbya's Dad.
> > > >
> > > > Ronny Raygun did to some extent, but he ended up with
> > > > Altzheimers so it was likely just the early effects of that.
> > > >
> > > > Even Gorby didnt look too bad in a very recent doco,
> > > > tho he did damned near burst into tears in front of the
> > > > camera on how things had panned out for him. More
> > > > due to the death of Raisa than anything else.
> >
> > > I liked Gorby, really he's a damned fine man!
> >
> > Yeah, tho I wasnt too thrilled about what he got up to with
> > Latvia and Estonia. Did a hell of a lot better with the GDR.
> >
> > And didnt manage anything like as an effective a transition as
> > that Deng Xiaoping. Obscene little ogre/dwarf tho he also was.
> >
> > > People never ever realise what he did...nobody ever
> > > gets credit in this life for the truly great things they do.
> >
> > Dunno, Mandela did.
> >
> > > Thousands of young people are having opportunites
> > > now that are directy thanks to him..Hardly any of
> > > them appreciate how things "could be" ..i'm
> > > talking about all those people in the eastern blocs.
> >
> > Yeah, many of them hate him with a passion. Plenty dont too.

> I think its the older generation...which I don't bame, things
> where going along ok...but now, everythings a bit up in
> the air, their currencies get buffeted about like the wind.

Yeah, tho it was amazing how many burst into tears when Joe died.

> The younger lot look towards Europe for opportunities whilst
> the older generations look towards old mother russia as they see
> their security crumble. I understand where they are comming from..

Yeah, they managed to stuff up the transition very badly indeed.

> > > Did you know that Gorby lost about 2/3rds
> > > of his life savings, after the rouble crashed!
> >
> > Yeah, he spelt all that out in that doco.

> You seem to love your docos.

They have an immediacy that nothing else does at that level.

> You saw him in a documentary? I have never seen a documentary
> about him, but I suppose their must be one about somewhere.
> which documentary was that then, I would be interested to see it.

'After the Empire', in russian. Appears to be pretty obscure.

>> Pretty pungent remarks about Yeltsin too.

> Oh really?

Yeah, particularly about how he was treated
immediately after Yeltsin gave him the bums
rush, the detail of how that was done and how
they ripped away his pension etc very quickly.

> Yeltsin was a drunk, this is a genetic trait of the russians,
> they along with the polish are real alcoholics sadly.

True.

>>>> Mandela is still catting around pretty energetically apparently.

>>> Yah, he looks good, I guess it depends
>>> how you handle the stress and the job..

>> Yeah, it certainly has a big impact on some.

>>> I tell you something, the style of president that George Bush
>>> Jnr has does'nt seem to stress him nor phase him at all.

>> Yeah, interesting character.

> Rather understated, yes, the single most poweful
> man in the world. You can see how tough he is from
> his face...He's probably even tougher than his dad.

Yeah, appears to be.

> Thats just my thoughts...he's tougher than Bill, and
> probably tougher than my ole fave Ronnald Raygun.
> I seriously woud not **** this President off if I was a
> country...really out of all the presidents post vietnam,
> this is the one I would not mess around with at all!

True.

>> His dad has one hell of a sense of humor too. I can
>> still picture in my mind him pretending to give Barbara
>> a kick in the bum about spinach or something |-)

> How did you picture that?? Where you with them?

Nar, showed up on the TV News etc.

>>> I think he really leads by "delegation".he's a good delagator,
>>> and he trusts his team, and I think they trust him also ...

>> Yeah, looks like it.

> He is very very religious, he prays regulary and he
> does not over work himself, he works smart. Yah
> he's good. I like him, he's a tough texan, by god I
> really really think he's tough...alot of texans are quite
> tough...actually...(sweeping generalisation I know)

>>> He's more trustworthy than Slick Willy if the **** hits the fan...

>> True. Slick did pretty well thru to the end
>> tho, his parting video clip was hilarious.

> Don't tell me Rod, not another of your "docs"????

Nar, TV News again.

> > > > >>> Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for
> decades..
> > > > >>> its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism
> surely?
> > > >
> > > > >> Yep.

Rod Speed
July 21st 03, 12:44 PM
Stephen GoldenGun >
wrote in message ...
> Rod Speed > wrote

>>> Do you actually know who said that originally?

>> Me. Oh, you mean the last sentance. Thats got one hell
>> of an british colonial history. Not sure who said it first.

>> Bet you cant say who said 'fire when ready, Gridley'
>> Bet you'll cheat and use google.

> No I'm not going to cheat..that sounds like a fair and square
> challenge to me, I can't resist any intellectual challenge!

> OK, how about this.......It must have been someone like Nelson........
> must have been...It could'nt have been mutch earlier.

Rather later, actually. Dewey, Manila Bay, 1898

>> Fark, just tried that with 'Shoot when you can
>> see the whites of their eyes' Guess who turns up ?

> No idea..

Try it.

> I had an inkling it was Rober E Lee...

>>> I am trying to remember but can't....
>>> was it General Robert E. Lee?

>> http://phrases.shu.ac.uk/bulletin_board/18/messages/305.html
>> claims Agnew.

>>>>>> And dont take the coward's way out and slash your wrists either.

>>>>> LOL you surely have a good sense of humour>

>>>>> having some fun...and noone would be any the wiser..

>>>> Indeed.

>>> Also your posting in accordance to US time,

>> Nope.

>>> right now you must be posting from the USA.

>> Guess again.

> Australia?

>> Hint: you wont be getting any offer from Langley any time soon.

> See you say things that nobody would say, what made you say that?

The devil made me do it.

> Well thats their loss!!!
> And I am not Joe King!

Stoppit at once.

>> It wasnt meant to...

> > > so it aroused my curiousity,
> > > sorry if I'm being intrusively nosey.
> >
> > Dont mind at all.

nog
July 21st 03, 01:04 PM
In article >,
says...
>
> nog > wrote in message
> ...
> > Rod Speed wrote
>
> >> Corse they cant. In spades with the lunatic fringe
> >> of the british labour party. They only just stopped
> >> singing the Red Flag at party conferences.
>
> > What you describe as the lunatic fringe of the Labour Party is
> > what used to be the Labour Party until comparatively recently.
>
> Yep, and thats why they were electorally
> completely irrelevant for so long.
>
> > The Labour government they all aspired to is
> > not the Labour government we all have now.
>
> And they did eventually get elected to govt because they arent.

Yup - so much for principles, eh?

B J Foster
July 21st 03, 02:10 PM
B J Foster wrote:
>
>
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> "Stephen GoldenGun" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Rod Speed > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
>>>>>>>> geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Behave yourselves or you'll be next.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Who's threatening,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even you should have noticed something as basic as that.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> I still have no idea, how this "opium" probem came into the equation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Its the only thing he could put the boot into Tony about.
>>
>>
>>> surely by anybodies account it has to be a sideline issue?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yep, it only got a single mention in Tony's speech.
>>
>>
>>> Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for decades..
>>> its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism surely?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>>
>>
>
> "State Department Officials Point to Drugs-Terrorism Ties ...
> ...
> 'Drug traffickers benefit from the terrorists' military skills, weapons
> supply, and access to clandestine organizations', Taylor said.
> 'Terrorists gain a source of revenue and expertise in illicit transfer
> and laundering of proceeds from illicit transactions'".
> (http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/02031310.htm)
>
> but you only have to consider the origin of the opium/heroin industry in
> Afghanistan...
>


"Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the
nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those
conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and
refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by
convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better
sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception"
(Mark Twain, 1916)

"History will forgive us"
(Tony Blair, 2003)

Rod Speed
July 21st 03, 09:09 PM
B J Foster > wrote in
message ...
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
>>> Rod Speed > wrote

>>>>>>>> Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
>>>>>>>> geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.

>>>>>>>> Behave yourselves or you'll be next.

>>>>> Who's threatening,

>>>> Even you should have noticed something as basic as that.

>>> I still have no idea, how this "opium" probem came into the equation.

>> Its the only thing he could put the boot into Tony about.

>>> surely by anybodies account it has to be a sideline issue?

>> Yep, it only got a single mention in Tony's speech.

>>> Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for decades..
>>> its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism surely?

>> Yep.

> "State Department Officials Point to Drugs-Terrorism Ties ...

Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation
like that could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?

Cant have it both ways...

> 'Drug traffickers benefit from the terrorists' military skills, weapons
> supply, and access to clandestine organizations', Taylor said.

Mindlessly silly.

> 'Terrorists gain a source of revenue and expertise in illicit
> transfer and laundering of proceeds from illicit transactions'".
> (http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/02031310.htm)

Mindlessly silly.

> but you only have to consider the origin of
> the opium/heroin industry in Afghanistan...

Soorree, fresh out of magic wands to wave
when so many pathetic creatures in the first
world are stupid enough to buy that stuff.

I personally think that the best approach is to ban Narcan from
ambulances etc, deliberately vary the potency of street heroin
quite substantially, and fix the problem that way, forever.

Not likely to be very palatable for most of the pollys tho.

Rod Speed
July 21st 03, 09:13 PM
"B J Foster" > wrote in message ...
>
>
> B J Foster wrote:
> >
> >
> > Rod Speed wrote:
> >
> >> "Stephen GoldenGun" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >>> Rod Speed > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
> >>>>>>>> geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Behave yourselves or you'll be next.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> Who's threatening,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Even you should have noticed something as basic as that.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> I still have no idea, how this "opium" probem came into the equation.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Its the only thing he could put the boot into Tony about.
> >>
> >>
> >>> surely by anybodies account it has to be a sideline issue?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yep, it only got a single mention in Tony's speech.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for decades..
> >>> its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism surely?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yep.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > "State Department Officials Point to Drugs-Terrorism Ties ...
> > ...
> > 'Drug traffickers benefit from the terrorists' military skills, weapons
> > supply, and access to clandestine organizations', Taylor said.
> > 'Terrorists gain a source of revenue and expertise in illicit transfer
> > and laundering of proceeds from illicit transactions'".
> > (http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/02031310.htm)

>> but you only have to consider the origin
>> of the opium/heroin industry in Afghanistan...

> "Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting
> the blame upon the nation that is attacked,

No need for any of that with Afghanistan and support for terrorists, fool.

> and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities,

No need for any of that with Afghanistan and support for terrorists, fool.

> and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them;

Not even possible with Afghanistan and support for terrorists, fool.

> and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just,

Corse it was with Afghanistan with the Talibums at the controls, fool.

> and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys
> after this process of grotesque self-deception"
> (Mark Twain, 1916)

Has no relevance what so ever to Afghanistan, fool.

He was clearly talking about WW1, fool.

> "History will forgive us"
> (Tony Blair, 2003)

It already has, fool.

B J Foster
July 21st 03, 09:55 PM
Rod Speed wrote:
> B J Foster > wrote in
> message ...
>
>>Rod Speed wrote
>>
>>>Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
>>>
>>>>Rod Speed > wrote
>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
>>>>>>>>>geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.
>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>Behave yourselves or you'll be next.
>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>Who's threatening,
>>>>>
>
>>>>>Even you should have noticed something as basic as that.
>>>>
>
>>>>I still have no idea, how this "opium" probem came into the equation.
>>>
>
>>>Its the only thing he could put the boot into Tony about.
>>
>
>>>>surely by anybodies account it has to be a sideline issue?
>>>
>
>>>Yep, it only got a single mention in Tony's speech.
>>
>
>>>>Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for decades..
>>>>its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism surely?
>>>
>
>>>Yep.
>>
>
>>"State Department Officials Point to Drugs-Terrorism Ties ...
>
>
> Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation
> like that could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?
>
> Cant have it both ways...
>

Nope. You can't. Do you believe them or not?

>
>>'Drug traffickers benefit from the terrorists' military skills, weapons
>>supply, and access to clandestine organizations', Taylor said.
>
>
> Mindlessly silly.
>

Really?
Oh BTW, it was from the US state department

>
>>'Terrorists gain a source of revenue and expertise in illicit
>>transfer and laundering of proceeds from illicit transactions'".
>>(http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/02031310.htm)
>
>
> Mindlessly silly.
>

D'you really think so?
Speak to Mr Powell, his department issued it

>
>>but you only have to consider the origin of
>>the opium/heroin industry in Afghanistan...
>
>
> Soorree, fresh out of magic wands to wave
> when so many pathetic creatures in the first
> world are stupid enough to buy that stuff.
>
> I personally think that the best approach is to ban Narcan from
> ambulances etc, deliberately vary the potency of street heroin
> quite substantially, and fix the problem that way, forever.
>
> Not likely to be very palatable for most of the pollys tho.
>

Stalin must also have his (it's) say

Stephen GoldenGun
July 21st 03, 10:36 PM
Rod Speed > wrote in message
. au...
>
> Stephen GoldenGun >
> wrote in message ...
> > Rod Speed > wrote
> >> Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
> >>> Rod Speed > wrote
>
> >>>> Hint: you wont be getting any offer from Langley any time soon.
>
> > Do you know me?
>
> Yep.

So you are from the CIA/MI6 after all.
>
>
>


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Stephen GoldenGun
July 21st 03, 10:39 PM
Rod Speed > wrote in message
. au...
>
> Stephen GoldenGun >
> wrote in message ...
> > Rod Speed > wrote
> >> Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
> >>> Rod Speed > wrote
>
> >>>> Hint: you wont be getting any offer from Langley any time soon.
>
> > Do you know me?
>
> Yep.

So why am I not going to get any offers from Langley any time soon? Thats
not very nice news? I thought at least I was going to get at least a chance
to be a true patriot?
>
>
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Jonathan Bryce
July 21st 03, 11:35 PM
Rod Speed wrote:

> Lets not forget that that was just after the US had
> crawled out of Somalia with their tail between their legs.

Wasn't that in the Clinton era? After Bush I?

Rod Speed
July 22nd 03, 01:18 AM
B J Foster > wrote in
message ...
> Rod Speed wrote
>> B J Foster > wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed > wrote

>>>>>>>>>> Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
>>>>>>>>>> geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.

>>>>>>>>>> Behave yourselves or you'll be next.

>>>>>>> Who's threatening,

>>>>>> Even you should have noticed something as basic as that.

>>>>> I still have no idea, how this "opium" probem came into the equation.

>>>> Its the only thing he could put the boot into Tony about.

>>>>> surely by anybodies account it has to be a sideline issue?

>>>> Yep, it only got a single mention in Tony's speech.

>>>>> Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for decades..
>>>>> its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism surely?

>>>> Yep.

>>> "State Department Officials Point to Drugs-Terrorism Ties ...

>> Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation like
>> that said could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?

>> Cant have it both ways...

> Nope. You can't.

Even you should be able to wank more convincingly than that, fool.

> Do you believe them or not?

I wasnt the one waving that mindlessly silly crap around, fool.

>>> 'Drug traffickers benefit from the terrorists' military skills, weapons
>>> supply, and access to clandestine organizations', Taylor said.

>> Mindlessly silly.

> Really?

Yes, really.

> Oh BTW, it was from the US state department

Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation like
that said could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?

Cant have it both ways...

>>> 'Terrorists gain a source of revenue and expertise in illicit
>>> transfer and laundering of proceeds from illicit transactions'".
>>> (http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/02031310.htm)

>> Mindlessly silly.

> D'you really think so?

Nar, that was my dog writing that bit.

> Speak to Mr Powell,

No thanks, he's completely irrelevant.

> his department issued it

Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation like
that said could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?

Cant have it both ways...

>>> but you only have to consider the origin of
>>> the opium/heroin industry in Afghanistan...

>> Soorree, fresh out of magic wands to wave
>> when so many pathetic creatures in the first
>> world are stupid enough to buy that stuff.

>> I personally think that the best approach is to ban Narcan from
>> ambulances etc, deliberately vary the potency of street heroin
>> quite substantially, and fix the problem that way, forever.

>> Not likely to be very palatable for most of the pollys tho.

> Stalin must also have his (it's) say

Even you should be able to wank more convincingly than that, fool.

Rod Speed
July 22nd 03, 01:20 AM
Stephen GoldenGun >
wrote in message ...
> Rod Speed > wrote
>> Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
>>> Rod Speed > wrote
>>>> Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed > wrote

>>>>>> Hint: you wont be getting any offer from Langley any time soon.

>>> Do you know me?

>> Yep.

> So you are from the CIA/MI6 after all.

And Mossad, the KGB etc etc etc too.

Byee...

Rod Speed
July 22nd 03, 01:23 AM
Stephen GoldenGun >
wrote in message ...
> Rod Speed > wrote
>> Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
>>> Rod Speed > wrote
>>>> Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed > wrote

>>>>>> Hint: you wont be getting any offer from Langley any time soon.

>>> Do you know me?

>> Yep.

> So why am I not going to get any offers from Langley any time soon?

We've noticed what a complete dud you are on where I'm from.

Even Jim Angleton could have done better than that pathetic effort.

> Thats not very nice news?

You could slash your wrists or sumfin. At least do it outside like
Kelly did so it doesnt make too much of a mess of the carpet.

> I thought at least I was going to get
> at least a chance to be a true patriot?

You could volunteer for the 'strap on
a bomb and blow yourself to bits' dept.

You'd probably qualify for that. If someone else
retained the remote control for the firing mechanism.

Rod Speed
July 22nd 03, 01:30 AM
Jonathan Bryce > wrote
in message ...
> Rod Speed wrote

>> Lets not forget that that was just after the US had
>> crawled out of Somalia with their tail between their legs.

Like a whipped dog.

> Wasn't that in the Clinton era? After Bush I?

Slick certainly was the Prez who pulled the troops out
of Somalia. Unlikely that Dubbya's dad, who had put
them into Somalia, wouldnt have done so too tho.

Certainly Ronny Raygun pulled out of Beirut after the
best part of 300 were blown to bits by a suicide bomber.

Stephen GoldenGun
July 22nd 03, 01:41 AM
Rod Speed > wrote in message
...
>
> Stephen GoldenGun >
> wrote in message ...
> > Rod Speed > wrote
> >> Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
> >>> Rod Speed > wrote
> >>>> Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
> >>>>> Rod Speed > wrote
>
> >>>>>> Hint: you wont be getting any offer from Langley any time soon.
>
> >>> Do you know me?
>
> >> Yep.
>
> > So you are from the CIA/MI6 after all.
>
> And Mossad, the KGB etc etc etc too.
>
> Byee...

Darned their goes that cushy job I was hoping for!!
>
>


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B J Foster
July 22nd 03, 03:00 AM
Rod Speed wrote:
> B J Foster > wrote in
> message ...
>
>>Rod Speed wrote
>>
>>>B J Foster > wrote
>>>
>>>>Rod Speed wrote
>>>>
>>>>>Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>Rod Speed > wrote
>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
>>>>>>>>>>>geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.
>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>Behave yourselves or you'll be next.
>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>Who's threatening,
>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>Even you should have noticed something as basic as that.
>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>I still have no idea, how this "opium" probem came into the equation.
>>>>>
>
>>>>>Its the only thing he could put the boot into Tony about.
>>>>
>
>>>>>>surely by anybodies account it has to be a sideline issue?
>>>>>
>
>>>>>Yep, it only got a single mention in Tony's speech.
>>>>
>
>>>>>>Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for decades..
>>>>>>its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism surely?
>>>>>
>
>>>>>Yep.
>>>>
>
>>>>"State Department Officials Point to Drugs-Terrorism Ties ...
>>>
>
>>>Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation like
>>>that said could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?
>>
>
>>>Cant have it both ways...
>>
>
>>Nope. You can't.
>
>
> Even you should be able to wank more convincingly than that, fool.
>
>
>>Do you believe them or not?
>
>
> I wasnt the one waving that mindlessly silly crap around, fool.
>
>
>>>>'Drug traffickers benefit from the terrorists' military skills, weapons
>>>>supply, and access to clandestine organizations', Taylor said.
>>>
>
>>>Mindlessly silly.
>>
>
>>Really?
>
>
> Yes, really.
>
>
>>Oh BTW, it was from the US state department
>
>
> Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation like
> that said could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?
>
> Cant have it both ways...
>

No you can't.

"Mindlessly silly" perfectly characterises your dismissal of the links
between narcotics and terrorism even when it comes from the US State
department.

>
>>>>'Terrorists gain a source of revenue and expertise in illicit
>>>>transfer and laundering of proceeds from illicit transactions'".
>>>>(http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/02031310.htm)
>>>
>
<flush>

Rod Speed
July 22nd 03, 05:53 AM
"B J Foster" > wrote in message ...
>
>
> Rod Speed wrote:
> > B J Foster > wrote in
> > message ...
> >
> >>Rod Speed wrote
> >>
> >>>B J Foster > wrote
> >>>
> >>>>Rod Speed wrote
> >>>>
> >>>>>Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Rod Speed > wrote
> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
> >>>>>>>>>>>geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>Behave yourselves or you'll be next.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >
> >>>>>>>>Who's threatening,
> >>>>>>>
> >
> >>>>>>>Even you should have noticed something as basic as that.
> >>>>>>
> >
> >>>>>>I still have no idea, how this "opium" probem came into the equation.
> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>>Its the only thing he could put the boot into Tony about.
> >>>>
> >
> >>>>>>surely by anybodies account it has to be a sideline issue?
> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>>Yep, it only got a single mention in Tony's speech.
> >>>>
> >
> >>>>>>Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for decades..
> >>>>>>its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism surely?
> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>>Yep.
> >>>>
> >
> >>>>"State Department Officials Point to Drugs-Terrorism Ties ...
> >>>
> >
> >>>Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation like
> >>>that said could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?
> >>
> >
> >>>Cant have it both ways...
> >>
> >
> >>Nope. You can't.
> >
> >
> > Even you should be able to wank more convincingly than that, fool.
> >
> >
> >>Do you believe them or not?
> >
> >
> > I wasnt the one waving that mindlessly silly crap around, fool.
> >
> >
> >>>>'Drug traffickers benefit from the terrorists' military skills, weapons
> >>>>supply, and access to clandestine organizations', Taylor said.
> >>>
> >
> >>>Mindlessly silly.
> >>
> >
> >>Really?
> >
> >
> > Yes, really.
> >
> >
> >>Oh BTW, it was from the US state department
> >
> >
> > Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation like
> > that said could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?
> >
> > Cant have it both ways...
> >
>
> No you can't.

Even you should be able to wank more convincingly than that, fool.

> "Mindlessly silly" perfectly characterises your
> dismissal of the links between narcotics and terrorism
> even when it comes from the US State department.

Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation like
that said could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?

Cant have it both ways...

> >>>>'Terrorists gain a source of revenue and expertise in illicit
> >>>>transfer and laundering of proceeds from illicit transactions'".
> >>>>(http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/02031310.htm)
> >>>
> >
> <flush>
>

Rod Speed
July 22nd 03, 07:09 AM
"B J Foster" > wrote in message ...
>
>
> Rod Speed wrote:
> > "B J Foster" > wrote in message ...
> >
> >>
> >>Rod Speed wrote:
> >>
> >>>B J Foster > wrote in
> >>>message ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Rod Speed wrote
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>B J Foster > wrote
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Rod Speed wrote
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Rod Speed > wrote
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Behave yourselves or you'll be next.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Who's threatening,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Even you should have noticed something as basic as that.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I still have no idea, how this "opium" probem came into the equation.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Its the only thing he could put the boot into Tony about.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>surely by anybodies account it has to be a sideline issue?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Yep, it only got a single mention in Tony's speech.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for decades..
> >>>>>>>>its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism surely?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Yep.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>"State Department Officials Point to Drugs-Terrorism Ties ...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation like
> >>>>>that said could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?
> >>>>
> >>>>>Cant have it both ways...
> >>>>
> >>>>Nope. You can't.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Even you should be able to wank more convincingly than that, fool.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Do you believe them or not?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I wasnt the one waving that mindlessly silly crap around, fool.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>'Drug traffickers benefit from the terrorists' military skills, weapons
> >>>>>>supply, and access to clandestine organizations', Taylor said.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Mindlessly silly.
> >>>>
> >>>>Really?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Yes, really.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Oh BTW, it was from the US state department
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation like
> >>>that said could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?
> >>>
> >>>Cant have it both ways...
> >>>
> >>
> >>No you can't.
> >
> >
> > Even you should be able to wank more convincingly than that, fool.
> >
> >
> >>"Mindlessly silly" perfectly characterises your
> >>dismissal of the links between narcotics and terrorism
> >>even when it comes from the US State department.
> >
> >
> > Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation like
> > that said could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?
> >
> > Cant have it both ways...

> Mindlessly silly:
> "Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for decades..
> its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism surely?"
> (Rod Speed, aka Oscar, aka Fred, aka Eliza)

Stephen said that, pathological liar.

> >>>>>>'Terrorists gain a source of revenue and expertise in illicit
> >>>>>>transfer and laundering of proceeds from illicit transactions'".
> >>>>>>(http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/02031310.htm)

B J Foster
July 22nd 03, 07:41 AM
Rod Speed wrote:
> "B J Foster" > wrote in message ...
>
>>
>>Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>>"B J Foster" > wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>B J Foster > wrote in
>>>>>message ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>B J Foster > wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Rod Speed > wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Behave yourselves or you'll be next.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Who's threatening,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Even you should have noticed something as basic as that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I still have no idea, how this "opium" probem came into the equation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Its the only thing he could put the boot into Tony about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>surely by anybodies account it has to be a sideline issue?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yep, it only got a single mention in Tony's speech.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for decades..
>>>>>>>>>>its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism surely?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yep.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"State Department Officials Point to Drugs-Terrorism Ties ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation like
>>>>>>>that said could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cant have it both ways...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nope. You can't.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Even you should be able to wank more convincingly than that, fool.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you believe them or not?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I wasnt the one waving that mindlessly silly crap around, fool.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>'Drug traffickers benefit from the terrorists' military skills, weapons
>>>>>>>>supply, and access to clandestine organizations', Taylor said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mindlessly silly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Really?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, really.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Oh BTW, it was from the US state department
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation like
>>>>>that said could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?
>>>>>
>>>>>Cant have it both ways...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No you can't.
>>>
>>>
>>>Even you should be able to wank more convincingly than that, fool.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Mindlessly silly" perfectly characterises your
>>>>dismissal of the links between narcotics and terrorism
>>>>even when it comes from the US State department.
>>>
>>>
>>>Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation like
>>>that said could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?
>>>
>>>Cant have it both ways...
>>
>
>>Mindlessly silly:
>>"Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for decades..
>>its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism surely?"
>>(Rod Speed, aka Oscar, aka Fred, aka Eliza)
>
>
> Stephen said that, pathological liar.
>

Stephen: "Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for
decades..its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism
surely?"

Rod/Oscar/Fred/Dog/Eliza: "Yep."

US State department: "Terrorists gain a source of revenue and expertise
in illicit transfer and laundering of proceeds from illicit
transactions. Drug traffickers benefit from the terrorists military
skills, weapons supply, and access to clandestine organizations"

Rod/Oscar/Fred/Dog/Eliza: "Mindlessly silly"

>
>>>>>>>>'Terrorists gain a source of revenue and expertise in illicit
>>>>>>>>transfer and laundering of proceeds from illicit transactions'".
>>>>>>>>(http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/02031310.htm)
>>>>>>>
>
>
>
>
>

B J Foster
July 22nd 03, 09:11 AM
Rod Speed wrote:
> "B J Foster" > wrote in message ...
>
>>
>>Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>>"B J Foster" > wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"B J Foster" > wrote in message ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>B J Foster > wrote in
>>>>>>>message ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>B J Foster > wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Rod Speed > wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Plenty of those werent too keen on the Talibums
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>geting the bums rush either. Tough titty, bozos.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Behave yourselves or you'll be next.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who's threatening,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Even you should have noticed something as basic as that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I still have no idea, how this "opium" probem came into the equation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Its the only thing he could put the boot into Tony about.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>surely by anybodies account it has to be a sideline issue?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Yep, it only got a single mention in Tony's speech.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for decades..
>>>>>>>>>>>>its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism surely?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Yep.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"State Department Officials Point to Drugs-Terrorism Ties ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation like
>>>>>>>>>that said could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cant have it both ways...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Nope. You can't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Even you should be able to wank more convincingly than that, fool.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Do you believe them or not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I wasnt the one waving that mindlessly silly crap around, fool.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>'Drug traffickers benefit from the terrorists' military skills, weapons
>>>>>>>>>>supply, and access to clandestine organizations', Taylor said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Mindlessly silly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Really?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, really.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Oh BTW, it was from the US state department
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation like
>>>>>>>that said could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cant have it both ways...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No you can't.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Even you should be able to wank more convincingly than that, fool.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Mindlessly silly" perfectly characterises your
>>>>>>dismissal of the links between narcotics and terrorism
>>>>>>even when it comes from the US State department.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation like
>>>>>that said could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?
>>>>>
>>>>>Cant have it both ways...
>>>>
>>>>Mindlessly silly:
>>>>"Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for decades..
>>>>its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism surely?"
>>>>(Rod Speed, aka Oscar, aka Fred, aka Eliza)
>>>
>
>>>Stephen said that, pathological liar.
>>
>
>>Stephen: "Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for
>>decades..its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism
>>surely?"
>
>
>>Rod/Oscar/Fred/Dog/Eliza: "Yep."
>
>
> Even you should be able to wank your way out of your
> predicament better than that pathetic effort, pathological liar.
>
>
>>US State department: "Terrorists gain a source of revenue and expertise
>>in illicit transfer and laundering of proceeds from illicit
>>transactions. Drug traffickers benefit from the terrorists military
>>skills, weapons supply, and access to clandestine organizations"
>
>
> Hang on, you proclaimed that nothing any operation like
> that said could ever be believed anymore didnt you ?
>
> Cant have it both ways...
>
>
>

I did?

Gee, sorry, I lied (but it was for a good cause)

Rod Speed
July 22nd 03, 09:49 AM
Some pathetic excuse for a bull****
artist/pathological liar claiming to be
B J Foster > wrote in
message ...
just the puerile **** thats always pouring from the back of it.

xylord
July 22nd 03, 01:09 PM
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:25:36 +0100, "StephenGoldenGun"
> wrote:

>4/ The best way to influence the United States is to engage as a powerful
>ally with the United States as Tony Blair has done. No other country in the
>world has so much influence as the UK.

Now that is a fine description of the vassal state
sucking up to the powerful bully state.

regards Xylord

xylord
July 22nd 03, 01:17 PM
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:42:07 +0100, "StephenGoldenGun"
> wrote:

>Heroin comes onto our streets from the opium fields of afghanistan, and if
>there exists a pro western government, they might do something to stop this
>from arriving onto our streets.

All through this thread you keep talking about 'pro western'
government. As if that is necessarily good and the absence of 'pro
western bad. But it is no pre-requisite for a good government.
They don't necessarily have to be pro western.
But the regular use of the term does show up
a very limited cultural perspective.

regards Xylord

paranoidandroid
July 22nd 03, 05:22 PM
xylord > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:25:36 +0100, "StephenGoldenGun"
> > wrote:
>
> >4/ The best way to influence the United States is to engage as a powerful
> >ally with the United States as Tony Blair has done. No other country in
the
> >world has so much influence as the UK.
>
> Now that is a fine description of the vassal state
> sucking up to the powerful bully state.
>
> regards Xylord

Nixon "engaged china" and Slick willy engaged china...it is a prooven fact
that isolation and lack of trade are the classicial historical front
runners to war.

I am implying by that that it follows on that by supporting the US, we
therefore become strongly influential, their is no guarantee that the US
public would have backed the campain without the Brits, and more to the
point, the UK has been able to temper any ultra aggressivemoves the US
makes.
>


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paranoidandroid
July 22nd 03, 05:23 PM
B J Foster > wrote in message
...
>
>
> B J Foster wrote:
> >
> >
> > Rod Speed wrote:
> >
> >> "B J Foster" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> > <snip>
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Presumably the intelligence got it wrong, particularly the most
> >>>>>> unlikely claims that they could deliver stuff in 45 minutes.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Only a fool is stupid enough to expect that intelligence will
> >>>>>> always be perfect.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Like they 'got wrong' official warnings from no
> >>>>> less than SEVEN other countries about 9-11?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>> There were no 'official warnings' from any country
> >>>> that something like that was likely to happen.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> UK, Germany, France, Israel, Morocco, Russia.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Lie. You cant cite even a single one of those that
> >> issued any 'official warning' that both of the WTC
> >> towers were going to be turned into rubble.
> >>
> >> There wasnt even a single 'official warning' from
> >> anyone that flying a commercial jetliner into one of
> >> those towers would produce a result like that either.
> >>
> >
> > 26 July 2001
> > "Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend
> > trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet,
> > reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.
> >
> > In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling
> > exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the
> > Justice Department cited what it called a 'threat assessment' by the
> > FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet
> > for the remainder of his term.
> >
> > 'There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting
> > under the guidelines', an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the
> > Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it

> > was detected or who made it".
> > (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml)
> >
>
>
> "July 21, 2003 -- A clueless FBI missed the chance to uncover the 9/11
> plot by failing to aggressively probe evidence that two of the hijackers
> were living in the San Diego home of a bureau informant, a blockbuster
> congressional report says.
>
> The 911-page report, due to be released this week, also contains
> explosive new evidence suggesting a key associate of the two men may
> have been a Saudi government agent, Newsweek says".
> (http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/1118.htm)

They recieve various warnings every day of the week about everything.

If they had a serious and reliable source of info hten they would have
acted.
>


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Stephen GoldenGun
July 22nd 03, 05:36 PM
xylord > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:42:07 +0100, "StephenGoldenGun"
> > wrote:
>
> >Heroin comes onto our streets from the opium fields of afghanistan, and
if
> >there exists a pro western government, they might do something to stop
this
> >from arriving onto our streets.
>
> All through this thread you keep talking about 'pro western'
> government.

You are correct, all throughout this thread I do talk about pro western
government.
As if that is necessarily good and the absence of 'pro> western bad. Hmm,
you are making assumptions about opinions I have not stated.


But it is no pre-requisite for a good government.

I agree with you totally. being "pro western" does not mean it is a good or
not a bad regime...many dictators in the past have been pro western, that
does not mean that they are good.


> They don't necessarily have to be pro western.
> But the regular use of the term does show up
> a very limited cultural perspective.

In your opinion. If you read the context peter you will see carefully what
I'm talking about.
>
> regards Xylord


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Rod Speed
July 23rd 03, 12:39 AM
Tim Josling >
wrote in message ...
> B J Foster wrote
>> Stephen GoldenGun > wrote

>> Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for decades..
>> its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism surely?

> if you keep up with the research, there is a lot of evidence
> that people who abuse drugs tend to have genetic defects
> in their neurotransmitter and receptor genes.

Bugger all evidence for that in fact.

The most obvious problem with that claim is that you cant demonstrate
any genetic effect with say heroin addiction, or why we have gone for
VERY long periods with almost no one addicted to heroin etc.

> Many drugs including heroin, cocaine, amphetamines,
> alcohol can parially compensate for this.

Mindlessly superficial when most of those
have completely different physiological effects.

> When they say "I only feel normal when I've had
> 4-5 beers" or whatever they may be telling the truth.

Nope. And plenty say stuff like that about stuff as
basic as a decent breakfast which doesnt involve
any legal or illegal drugs at all, not even caffeine.

> So these people are not necessarily evil
> drug fiends, they are just self medicating.

Doesnt qualify as 'medicating', thats a copout.

> Because of the moralistic nonsense that passes for
> drug policy there is no attempt to help these poor people.

They aint 'poor people', they're just pathetic addicts.
Even if their drug of choice happens to be legal.

And plenty are pathetically addicted to
stuff as basic as work or exercise too.

> The only exception is the use of amphetamines in ADD.

That has a completely different effect with those.
And they dont get addicted to them anyway.

Rod Speed
July 23rd 03, 01:33 AM
"B J Foster" > wrote in message ...
>
>
> Tim Josling wrote:
> > B J Foster wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Mindlessly silly:
> >> "Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for
> >> decades..its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism
> >> surely?"
> >> (Rod Speed, aka Oscar, aka Fred, aka Eliza)
> >>
> >
> > if you keep up with the research, there is a lot of evidence that people
> > who abuse drugs tend to have genetic defects in their neurotransmitter
> > and receptor genes. Many drugs including heroin, cocaine, amphetamines,
> > alcohol can parially compensate for this.
> >
> > When they say "I only feel normal when I've had 4-5 beers" or whatever
> > they may be telling the truth.
> >
> > So these people are not necessarily evil drug fiends, they are just self
> > medicating. Because of the moralistic nonsense that passes for drug
> > policy there is no attempt to help these poor people. The only exception
> > is the use of amphetamines in ADD.
> >
> > Tim Josling
> >
>
> I made no judgements about drug USERS.

> Stephen and that other Speedy bloke (aptly named?) suggested
> that there was no link between drugs and terrorism

More of your pathological lying. Neither of us did anything of
the sort and just rubbed YOUR silly little nose in the FACT
that no first world country has ever managed to do much
about the pathetic creatures that choose to use heroin.

> yet the US State department says there is.

You proclaimed that nothing they ever said could
ever be believed now. Cant have it both ways, fool.

> In fact, it is public knowledge that the CIA established
> the poppy industry in Afghanistan specifically for the
> purpose of funding Taliban ops against the Soviet Union.

Just another complete pack of silly lies.

The poppy industry had been VERY well established
LONG before any Talibums ever showed up there, fool.

> One hopes that the days of the end-justifies-the-means are now past.

Pathetic, really.

> Incidentally, if drug usage is genetic, what do you think about
> pushers handing out heroin-laced lollipops on schoolgrounds?

Just another mindlessly silly pack of lies.

> One hopes that the CIA is no longer part of this sordid business.

Thanks for the completely superfluous proof of what
a terminal ****wit you have always been, Foster.

> One hopes too, that Tony Blair will fulfill his promise
> and end the poppy business in Afghanistan.

He never made any such 'promise', you pathological liar.

> If not poppy cultivation (hard), then the heroin factories (easy).

Just another of your mindlessly stupid claims.

> And if they spring up in Pakistan again, one hopes that
> this special "ally" of the US will take steps to shut it down.

Wota pathetic little ******.

> A lot to hope for.

Plenty to wank about in your case, fool.

Stephen GoldenGun
July 23rd 03, 01:46 AM
Rod Speed > wrote in message
. au...
>
> "B J Foster" > wrote in message
...
> >
> >
> > Tim Josling wrote:
> > > B J Foster wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Mindlessly silly:
> > >> "Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for
> > >> decades..its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism
> > >> surely?"
> > >> (Rod Speed, aka Oscar, aka Fred, aka Eliza)
> > >>
> > >
> > > if you keep up with the research, there is a lot of evidence that
people
> > > who abuse drugs tend to have genetic defects in their neurotransmitter
> > > and receptor genes. Many drugs including heroin, cocaine,
amphetamines,
> > > alcohol can parially compensate for this.
> > >
> > > When they say "I only feel normal when I've had 4-5 beers" or whatever
> > > they may be telling the truth.
> > >
> > > So these people are not necessarily evil drug fiends, they are just
self
> > > medicating. Because of the moralistic nonsense that passes for drug
> > > policy there is no attempt to help these poor people. The only
exception
> > > is the use of amphetamines in ADD.
> > >
> > > Tim Josling
> > >
> >
> > I made no judgements about drug USERS.
>
> > Stephen and that other Speedy bloke (aptly named?) suggested
> > that there was no link between drugs and terrorism

Ok, I agree that there is a connection between the two. But, I was saying
that it is not a main reason in the war against terrorism.
>
> More of your pathological lying. Neither of us did anything of
> the sort and just rubbed YOUR silly little nose in the FACT
> that no first world country has ever managed to do much
> about the pathetic creatures that choose to use heroin.
>
> > yet the US State department says there is.
>
> You proclaimed that nothing they ever said could
> ever be believed now. Cant have it both ways, fool.
>
> > In fact, it is public knowledge that the CIA established
> > the poppy industry in Afghanistan specifically for the
> > purpose of funding Taliban ops against the Soviet Union.
>
> Just another complete pack of silly lies.
>
> The poppy industry had been VERY well established
> LONG before any Talibums ever showed up there, fool.
>
> > One hopes that the days of the end-justifies-the-means are now past.
>
> Pathetic, really.
>
> > Incidentally, if drug usage is genetic, what do you think about
> > pushers handing out heroin-laced lollipops on schoolgrounds?
>
> Just another mindlessly silly pack of lies.
>
> > One hopes that the CIA is no longer part of this sordid business.
>
> Thanks for the completely superfluous proof of what
> a terminal ****wit you have always been, Foster.
>
> > One hopes too, that Tony Blair will fulfill his promise
> > and end the poppy business in Afghanistan.
>
> He never made any such 'promise', you pathological liar.
>
> > If not poppy cultivation (hard), then the heroin factories (easy).
>
> Just another of your mindlessly stupid claims.
>
> > And if they spring up in Pakistan again, one hopes that
> > this special "ally" of the US will take steps to shut it down.
>
> Wota pathetic little ******.
>
> > A lot to hope for.
>
> Plenty to wank about in your case, fool.
>
>
>
>

xylord
July 23rd 03, 01:54 AM
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:22:27 +0100, "paranoidandroid"
> wrote:

> the UK has been able to temper any ultra aggressivemoves the US
>makes.

ROTFL!

regards Xylord

Stephen GoldenGun
July 23rd 03, 01:56 AM
xylord > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:22:27 +0100, "paranoidandroid"
> > wrote:
>
> > the UK has been able to temper any ultra aggressivemoves the US
> >makes.
>
> ROTFL!
>
> regards Xylord

You seriously think the UK has not any influence over the US? Tony was the
main reason that the US even went to the UN to seek a resolution, that is
having an influence.


>
>

Tim Josling
July 23rd 03, 02:00 AM
B J Foster wrote:
>
> Incidentally, if drug usage is genetic, what do you think about pushers
> handing out heroin-laced lollipops on schoolgrounds? One hopes that the
> CIA is no longer part of this sordid business.

There is plenty of research that suggests a susceptibility to drug
dependence has a strong genetic factor. For example it was found that
people with one version of a gene had a much harder time giving up tobacco.

But like most things there is a strong environmental influence. If drugs
are not available people cannot take them. If people do not try drugs
they will not get addicted.

One the other side, if methadone is available, many addicts can live
productive lives.

A tendency to obesity clearly has genetic links, but companies spend a
lot of money advertising food.

I had an operation a few years ago. Pethedine, an opiate, was
administered pre-op. It felt absolutely wonderful.

Tim Josling

Rod Speed
July 23rd 03, 02:56 AM
Tim Josling >
wrote in message ...
> B J Foster wrote

>> Incidentally, if drug usage is genetic, what do you think about
>> pushers handing out heroin-laced lollipops on schoolgrounds?
>> One hopes that the CIA is no longer part of this sordid business.

> There is plenty of research that suggests a susceptibility
> to drug dependence has a strong genetic factor.

Like hell there is.

> For example it was found that people with one version
> of a gene had a much harder time giving up tobacco.

Pity that there is SFA of anything like that.
So your 'plenty of research' is just plain wrong.

> But like most things there is a strong environmental
> influence. If drugs are not available people cannot take
> them. If people do not try drugs they will not get addicted.

And there aint a shred of evidence of
any genetic tendency towards addiction.

> One the other side, if methadone is available,
> many addicts can live productive lives.

Sure, but all that shows is that its quite feasible to have
a productive life with an addiction. Absolutely no news.

An 'addiction' to work often results in a very 'productive' life.

> A tendency to obesity clearly has genetic links, but
> companies spend a lot of money advertising food.

Thats completely silly too. There is certainly a real genetic factor
with the metabolic rate, but thats a different matter entirely.

> I had an operation a few years ago. Pethedine, an opiate,
> was administered pre-op. It felt absolutely wonderful.

Separate issue entirely to who ends up an addict, stupid.

Plenty get the same effect with say high risk sports etc.
Doesnt mean that there is any physiological addiction involved.

xylord
July 23rd 03, 04:52 AM
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:56:20 +0100, "Stephen GoldenGun"
> wrote:

>
>xylord > wrote in message
...
>> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:22:27 +0100, "paranoidandroid"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > the UK has been able to temper any ultra aggressivemoves the US
>> >makes.
>>
>> ROTFL!
>>
>> regards Xylord
>
>You seriously think the UK has not any influence over the US? Tony was the
>main reason that the US even went to the UN to seek a resolution, that is
>having an influence.

You have your answer if you look at what happened in the end result,
instead at looking at process. The US wanted to regardless of UN
support. Blair did not really, he wanted UN support.
You seem to be happy to define the UK as a nation in US terms with the
sop of arguable 'influence'. (see first sentence)

Independence is something else again.

regards Xylord

Dr.Stephen GoldenGun
July 23rd 03, 05:03 AM
xylord > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:56:20 +0100, "Stephen GoldenGun"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >xylord > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:22:27 +0100, "paranoidandroid"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> > the UK has been able to temper any ultra aggressivemoves the US
> >> >makes.
> >>
> >> ROTFL!
> >>
> >> regards Xylord
> >
> >You seriously think the UK has not any influence over the US? Tony was
the
> >main reason that the US even went to the UN to seek a resolution, that is
> >having an influence.
>
> You have your answer if you look at what happened in the end result,
> instead at looking at process. The US wanted to regardless of UN
> support. Blair did not really, he wanted UN support.
> You seem to be happy to define the UK as a nation in US terms with the
> sop of arguable 'influence'. (see first sentence)


Well I know that the UK does have a huge influence on the US, it is not a
command and control influence, but influence of a freind whose council the
US values.
>
> Independence is something else again.
>
> regards Xylord

B J Foster
July 23rd 03, 05:09 AM
Stephen GoldenGun wrote:
> Rod Speed > wrote in message
> . au...
>
>>"B J Foster" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>>>
>>>Tim Josling wrote:
>>>
>>>>B J Foster wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Mindlessly silly:
>>>>>"Drugs are their everywhere in the world, and have been for
>>>>>decades..its a gobal problem, nothing to do with the war on terrorism
>>>>>surely?"
>>>>>(Rod Speed, aka Oscar, aka Fred, aka Eliza)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>if you keep up with the research, there is a lot of evidence that
>>>
> people
>
>>>>who abuse drugs tend to have genetic defects in their neurotransmitter
>>>>and receptor genes. Many drugs including heroin, cocaine,
>>>
> amphetamines,
>
>>>>alcohol can parially compensate for this.
>>>>
>>>>When they say "I only feel normal when I've had 4-5 beers" or whatever
>>>>they may be telling the truth.
>>>>
>>>>So these people are not necessarily evil drug fiends, they are just
>>>
> self
>
>>>>medicating. Because of the moralistic nonsense that passes for drug
>>>>policy there is no attempt to help these poor people. The only
>>>
> exception
>
>>>>is the use of amphetamines in ADD.
>>>>
>>>>Tim Josling
>>>>
>>>
>>>I made no judgements about drug USERS.
>>
>>>Stephen and that other Speedy bloke (aptly named?) suggested
>>>that there was no link between drugs and terrorism
>>
>
> Ok, I agree that there is a connection between the two. But, I was saying
> that it is not a main reason in the war against terrorism.
>

Nevertheless, it was presented as a major reason by Tony Blair (whatever
you or I personally think about it).

That opium/heroin exports have gone up tenfold since occupation suggests
that Blair would have given *any* reason to justify war. If reasons have
to be invented because the public won't go along otherwise then it
suggests that our democracy is in trouble OR we'll toss the likes of
Blair at the next election.
<snip>

ffd
July 23rd 03, 05:25 AM
> >>> right now you must be posting from the USA.
>
> >> Guess again.
>
> > Australia?
>

Reading through the newsgroup header shows Rod is posting to a news server
in aus @ iinet therefore he is in aus unless he is some brilliant hacker!

Dr.Stephen GoldenGun
July 23rd 03, 05:28 AM
B J Foster > wrote in message
...
>

> >>
> >>>Stephen and that other Speedy bloke (aptly named?) suggested
> >>>that there was no link between drugs and terrorism
> >>


Listen I understand you may have your difference with the "Hot Rod" hahaha
hot rod,, do you get it?? LOL ROLF hahahah anyway enough of the jokes...down
to serious business, you may take my opinion to be more than knowledgable in
this subject, you notice even hot rod listens when I speak, it is because I
have the voice of authority, I do not speak for the sake of it, I know what
I'm talking about.

Please believe the simple fact that "DRUGS ARE NOTHING TO DO WITH WARS ON
TERRORISM"


> > Ok, I agree that there is a connection between the two. But, I was
saying
> > that it is not a main reason in the war against terrorism.
> >
>
> Nevertheless, it was presented as a major reason by Tony Blair (whatever
> you or I personally think about it).
>
> That opium/heroin exports have gone up tenfold since occupation suggests
> that Blair would have given *any* reason to justify war. If reasons have
> to be invented because the public won't go along otherwise then it
> suggests that our democracy is in trouble OR we'll toss the likes of
> Blair at the next election.

Ok BJ why are you so hung up about drugs? so what if they have gone up?
Whats that got to do with terrorism, whats it got to do with Tony. The CIA
have never ever used the drugs trade as a tool.
> <snip>
>

Dr.Stephen GoldenGun
July 23rd 03, 05:33 AM
>
> Or recognise that no political or political 'leader'
> has much real effect on any first world country.
>
>
> I definitely know you are a "family" man, so don't even try to insult my
inteligence by pretending your not..

Rod Speed
July 23rd 03, 06:27 AM
Dr.Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
in message ...

>>> We just have to elect the best amongst us.

>> Or recognise that no political or political 'leader'
>> has much real effect on any first world country.

> Only a "family" man would come up with something like that.

Wrong.

> I definitely know you are a "family" man,

You 'know' nothing of the sort, actually.

> so don't even try to insult my inteligence by pretending your not..

Rod Speed
July 23rd 03, 06:29 AM
Dr.Stephen GoldenGun > wrote in
message ...
> ffd > wrote

>>>>>> right now you must be posting from the USA.

>>>>> Guess again.

>>>> Australia?

>> Reading through the newsgroup header shows Rod is posting to a news server
>> in aus @ iinet therefore he is in aus unless he is some brilliant hacker!
>
> Yah I saw that he was posting from Aus! But he's not australian.

Wrong again.

> Although he's course enough to be an ausi.

Is that of course or off course.

Dr.Stephen GoldenGun
July 23rd 03, 06:35 AM
Rod Speed > wrote in message
...
>
> "B J Foster" > wrote in message
...
> >
> > > That opium/heroin exports have gone up tenfold since occupation
> > suggests that Blair would have given *any* reason to justify war.
>
> Only a terminally woolly minded fool would try claiming that.
>
> > If reasons have to be invented because the public won't go
> > along otherwise then it suggests that our democracy is in trouble
>
> Only a terminally woolly minded fool would try claiming that.
>
> > OR we'll toss the likes of Blair at the next election.
>
> Or the absolute vast bulk of us wouldnt be that stupid.

I agree with HOTROD, nobody is going to get rid of Tone, and the vast
majority will vote for him..people forget how popular he actually is, when
you compared to anybody since Maggie, nobody has been so popular.....even
his own party will fall straight back into line.....He'll get in for a third
election I think very easily.

First they said he was not a man, he was like a boy, trying to please
everybody...do you remember them saying all that? Now that he's being a true
leader, and doing what he believes is correct, everybody saishe's not
listening........

He'll not ony win but he'll win miles ahead of anybody else....Nobody in the
labor party is so stupid as to risk power. When it comes to the crunch.;
>
>

Dr.Stephen GoldenGun
July 23rd 03, 06:35 AM
Rod Speed > wrote in message
...
>
> Dr.Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
> in message ...
>
> >>> We just have to elect the best amongst us.
>
> >> Or recognise that no political or political 'leader'
> >> has much real effect on any first world country.
>
> > Only a "family" man would come up with something like that.
>
> Wrong.

You don't even know what I mean hot rod...do you ?
>
> > I definitely know you are a "family" man,
>
> You 'know' nothing of the sort, actually.
>
> > so don't even try to insult my inteligence by pretending your not..
>
>
>

Rod Speed
July 23rd 03, 06:50 AM
"Dr.Stephen GoldenGun" > wrote in message ...
>
> Rod Speed > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "B J Foster" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >
> > > > That opium/heroin exports have gone up tenfold since occupation
> > > suggests that Blair would have given *any* reason to justify war.
> >
> > Only a terminally woolly minded fool would try claiming that.
> >
> > > If reasons have to be invented because the public won't go
> > > along otherwise then it suggests that our democracy is in trouble
> >
> > Only a terminally woolly minded fool would try claiming that.
> >
> > > OR we'll toss the likes of Blair at the next election.
> >
> > Or the absolute vast bulk of us wouldnt be that stupid.

> I agree with HOTROD, nobody is going to get rid of Tone, and the vast
> majority will vote for him..people forget how popular he actually is, when
> you compared to anybody since Maggie, nobody has been so popular.....

And there aint anyone thats a viable alternative
inside his party, or in the opposition either.

> even his own party will fall straight back into line.....
> He'll get in for a third election I think very easily.

Yeah, with a microscopic possibility of something
completely different getting in the way of that, like
him getting run over by one of those silly buses you
lot ride around it etc or the irish blowing him to bits.

> First they said he was not a man, he was like a boy, trying
> to please everybody...do you remember them saying all that?
> Now that he's being a true leader, and doing what he believes
> is correct, everybody saishe's not listening........

Whoops, there's that dead giveaway again....

> He'll not ony win but he'll win miles ahead of anybody else....Nobody in the
> labor party is so stupid as to risk power. When it comes to the crunch.;

Indeed.

Rod Speed
July 23rd 03, 06:52 AM
Dr.Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
in message ...
> Rod Speed > wrote
>> Dr.Stephen GoldenGun > wrote

>>>>> We just have to elect the best amongst us.

>>>> Or recognise that no political or political 'leader'
>>>> has much real effect on any first world country.

>>> Only a "family" man would come up with something like that.

>> Wrong.

> You don't even know what I mean hot rod...do you ?

Wrong.

>>> I definitely know you are a "family" man,

>> You 'know' nothing of the sort, actually.

>>> so don't even try to insult my inteligence by pretending your not..

ffd
July 23rd 03, 08:12 AM
"Rod Speed" > wrote in message
...
>
> Dr.Stephen GoldenGun > wrote in
> message ...
> > ffd > wrote
>
> >>>>>> right now you must be posting from the USA.
>
> >>>>> Guess again.
>
> >>>> Australia?
>
> >> Reading through the newsgroup header shows Rod is posting to a news
server
> >> in aus @ iinet therefore he is in aus unless he is some brilliant
hacker!
> >
> > Yah I saw that he was posting from Aus! But he's not australian.
>
> Wrong again.
>

What is wrong? Not Aus or not posting from Aus? I see that there is a German
Uni as part of the hop. It seems a bit odd that iinet would send their
traffic that way but I guess anything is possible. Maybe Rod is a brilliant
hacker??

> > Although he's course enough to be an ausi.
>
> Is that of course or off course.
>
>
>

Rod Speed
July 23rd 03, 09:24 AM
ffd > wrote in message
u...
> Rod Speed > wrote
>> Dr.Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
>>> ffd > wrote

>>>>>>>> right now you must be posting from the USA.

>>>>>>> Guess again.

>>>>>> Australia?

>>>> Reading through the newsgroup header shows
>>>> Rod is posting to a news server in aus @ iinet

Nope.

>>>> therefore he is in aus unless he is some brilliant hacker!

Dont have to be anything like 'brilliant' to fake that stuff up.

>>> Yah I saw that he was posting from Aus! But he's not australian.

>> Wrong again.

> What is wrong?

The last one. Thats why I broke his original there.

> Not Aus or not posting from Aus?

Not Aus is wrong.

> I see that there is a German Uni as part of the hop.

Thats just the news server.

> It seems a bit odd that iinet would send their traffic that way

They dont.

> but I guess anything is possible.
> Maybe Rod is a brilliant hacker??

Or maybe you two dont actually have a clue about the basics.

>>> Although he's course enough to be an ausi.

>> Is that of course or off course.

Dr.Stephen GoldenGun
July 23rd 03, 09:50 AM
Rod Speed > wrote in message
...
>
> Dr.Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
> in message ...
> > Rod Speed > wrote
>
> > Hot Rod the Sod,
>
> Down, boy.
>
> > your really making us wonder about you!
>
> Just how many of you are there between
> those ears, Steve, or is that Staph ?
>
> > We don't have a clue about you
>
> You did get that bit right.
>
> > we will wonder til we are blue!
>
> I thought that soggy little island was supposed
> to be a bit warmer than that at this time of year ?
>
> > I think your ex security services. In fact I know it.
>
> > Your an artful dodger and qutie humourous.
>
> > What do you mean about the way I say sais..what is that meaning?>
>
> That'd be telling...

You fell into my trap dear chap!!!! That was my ex security services
trap...you
passed....only very intelligent people would have passed that....

Every question was loaded... you did'nt realise. You manage to try to turn
things around...

That takes a certain kind of thinking with a certain kind of training.
>
>

Rod Speed
July 23rd 03, 10:29 AM
"Dr.Stephen GoldenGun" > wrote in message ...
>
> Rod Speed > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Dr.Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
> > in message ...
> > > Rod Speed > wrote
> >
> > > Hot Rod the Sod,
> >
> > Down, boy.
> >
> > > your really making us wonder about you!
> >
> > Just how many of you are there between
> > those ears, Steve, or is that Staph ?
> >
> > > We don't have a clue about you
> >
> > You did get that bit right.
> >
> > > we will wonder til we are blue!
> >
> > I thought that soggy little island was supposed
> > to be a bit warmer than that at this time of year ?
> >
> > > I think your ex security services. In fact I know it.
> >
> > > Your an artful dodger and qutie humourous.
> >
> > > What do you mean about the way I say sais..what is that meaning?>
> >
> > That'd be telling...

> You fell into my trap dear chap!!!!

Wrong as always cheap Staph.

> That was my ex security services trap...

In your pathetic little drug crazed addicted dreams...

> you passed....

I always do...

> only very intelligent people would have passed that....

> Every question was loaded... you did'nt realise.

Wrong. As always.

> You manage to try to turn things around...

> That takes a certain kind of thinking with a certain kind of training.

I gave up that thinking stuff. It makes my head hurt.

xylord
July 23rd 03, 11:01 AM
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:03:08 +0100, "Dr.Stephen GoldenGun"
> wrote:

>
>xylord > wrote in message
...
>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:56:20 +0100, "Stephen GoldenGun"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >xylord > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:22:27 +0100, "paranoidandroid"
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > the UK has been able to temper any ultra aggressivemoves the US
>> >> >makes.
>> >>
>> >> ROTFL!
>> >>
>> >> regards Xylord
>> >
>> >You seriously think the UK has not any influence over the US? Tony was
>the
>> >main reason that the US even went to the UN to seek a resolution, that is
>> >having an influence.
>>
>> You have your answer if you look at what happened in the end result,
>> instead at looking at process. The US wanted to regardless of UN
>> support. Blair did not really, he wanted UN support.
>> You seem to be happy to define the UK as a nation in US terms with the
>> sop of arguable 'influence'. (see first sentence)
>
>
>Well I know that the UK does have a huge influence on the US, it is not a
>command and control influence, but influence of a freind whose council the
>US values.

You 'know'. Others don't believe it.
Me, I think your last six words dutifully regurgitate the sort of
hypocritical 'oh so sincere' sounding media-manipulation phrases for
the masses, so typical of this US government public utterances.

regards Xylord

>>
>> Independence is something else again.
>>
>> regards Xylord
>

Dr.Stephen GoldenGun
July 23rd 03, 11:03 AM
xylord > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:03:08 +0100, "Dr.Stephen GoldenGun"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >xylord > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:56:20 +0100, "Stephen GoldenGun"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >xylord > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:22:27 +0100, "paranoidandroid"
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > the UK has been able to temper any ultra aggressivemoves the US
> >> >> >makes.
> >> >>
> >> >> ROTFL!
> >> >>
> >> >> regards Xylord
> >> >
> >> >You seriously think the UK has not any influence over the US? Tony was
> >the
> >> >main reason that the US even went to the UN to seek a resolution, that
is
> >> >having an influence.
> >>
> >> You have your answer if you look at what happened in the end result,
> >> instead at looking at process. The US wanted to regardless of UN
> >> support. Blair did not really, he wanted UN support.
> >> You seem to be happy to define the UK as a nation in US terms with the
> >> sop of arguable 'influence'. (see first sentence)
> >
> >
> >Well I know that the UK does have a huge influence on the US, it is not a
> >command and control influence, but influence of a freind whose council
the
> >US values.
>
> You 'know'. Others don't believe it.
> Me, I think your last six words dutifully regurgitate the sort of
> hypocritical 'oh so sincere' sounding media-manipulation phrases for
> the masses, so typical of this US government public utterances.
>
> regards Xylord
>
> >>
> >> Independence is something else again.
> >>
> >> regards Xylord

Ok fine.
> >
>

Tim Josling
July 23rd 03, 11:03 AM
Rod Speed wrote:
>
>>These date are from: Noble, E.P., P.J. Sheridan, A. Montgomery,
>>T. Ritchie, P. Jagadeeswaran, H. Nogami, A.H. Briggs, and J.B.
>>Cohn. 1990. "Allelic association of the D2 dopamine receptor
>>gene in alcoholism." Journal of the American Medical Association
>
>
> Hardly qualifys a major peer revewied medical journal.
>
> Three guesses why a higher quality peer
> reviewed medical journal didnt publish it.
>

The JAMA is one of the world's top three peer reviewed journals. You
obviously have no familiarity with medical research or you would know that.

The quotes I provided were only one set of such studies referred to in
one book. Have a look on biomednet for lots lots more.

Tim Josling

xylord
July 23rd 03, 11:10 AM
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:28:09 +0100, "Dr.Stephen GoldenGun"
> wrote:

>LOL ROLF hahahah anyway enough of the jokes...

He said, laughing at his own joke.

But then the self styled Dr. starting to tell the funniest one I have
heard for a long time!

>down
>to serious business, you may take my opinion to be more than knowledgable in
>this subject, you notice even hot rod listens when I speak, it is because I
>have the voice of authority, I do not speak for the sake of it, I know what
>I'm talking about.

ROTFL!!! :-))
As Dilbert's boss said:
On the Internet anyone can be a dog. ;-)

regards Xylord

Tim Josling
July 23rd 03, 11:12 AM
B J Foster wrote:
>
>
> Stephen GoldenGun wrote:
>>
>> Ok, I agree that there is a connection between the two. But, I was saying
>> that it is not a main reason in the war against terrorism.
>>
>
> Nevertheless, it was presented as a major reason by Tony Blair (whatever
> you or I personally think about it).
>
> That opium/heroin exports have gone up tenfold since occupation suggests
> that Blair would have given *any* reason to justify war. If reasons have
> to be invented because the public won't go along otherwise then it
> suggests that our democracy is in trouble OR we'll toss the likes of
> Blair at the next election.
> <snip>
>

Have you ever done any work with the average voter e.g. telephone
polling? In fact telephone polling is a bit misleading as people who do
not have phones are even worse off in certain demographic respects than
average (I am not talking about income BTW).

I did some phone polling a while back on a voluntary basis and I was
absolutely shocked by the level of ignorance and short sightedness of
the average person I spoke to. I would estimate based on that
experience, that less than 10% of the voters have the slightest
comprehension of the issues. This was not because they disagreed with
me, as informed voters were on both sides of the fence. Probably on the
conservative side there were somewhat more.

I saw a study reported from the US that gives some examples:
- most US voters cannot place the US on a world map.
- most cannot give the population of the US within a factor of 2
- most cannot state US GDP within a factor of 5
etc.

Since then I have had a lot more sympathy with politicians who lie. I
seriously wonder if it is possible to tell the truth and to be comprehended.

For a person of even average intelligence the political debate is
insultingly simplistic. But remember that the people they are trying to
reach are the same people who determine the intellectual level of
television.

Tim Josling

xylord
July 23rd 03, 11:20 AM
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:25:50 +1000, "ffd" > wrote:

>
>> >>> right now you must be posting from the USA.
>>
>> >> Guess again.
>>
>> > Australia?
>>
>
>Reading through the newsgroup header shows Rod is posting to a news server
>in aus @ iinet therefore he is in aus

Sorry about that. I apologise on Australia's behalf.
All I can put forward for mitigation is every country
suffers from some fools amongst its population. ;-(

I recommend a good kill filter.

regards Xylord

Rod Speed
July 23rd 03, 08:48 PM
"Tim Josling" > wrote in message ...
> B J Foster wrote:
> >
> >
> > Stephen GoldenGun wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, I agree that there is a connection between the two. But, I was saying
> >> that it is not a main reason in the war against terrorism.
> >>
> >
> > Nevertheless, it was presented as a major reason by Tony Blair (whatever
> > you or I personally think about it).
> >
> > That opium/heroin exports have gone up tenfold since occupation suggests
> > that Blair would have given *any* reason to justify war. If reasons have
> > to be invented because the public won't go along otherwise then it
> > suggests that our democracy is in trouble OR we'll toss the likes of
> > Blair at the next election.
> > <snip>

> Have you ever done any work with the average voter e.g. telephone
> polling? In fact telephone polling is a bit misleading as people who do
> not have phones are even worse off in certain demographic respects
> than average (I am not talking about income BTW).

Pity that those with no phone are such a microscopic
percentage now. They're completely irrelevant.

The main problem with phone polling is that you arent likely
to get much of an idea about most people's opinion just
because most arent interested in participating in a phone poll.

> I did some phone polling a while back on a voluntary basis
> and I was absolutely shocked by the level of ignorance
> and short sightedness of the average person I spoke to.

You really should get out more.

> I would estimate based on that experience, that less than 10%
> of the voters have the slightest comprehension of the issues.

You'd be luck if it was even that on relatively complex issues.

> This was not because they disagreed with me, as informed
> voters were on both sides of the fence. Probably on the
> conservative side there were somewhat more.

No surprises there.

> I saw a study reported from the US that gives some examples:
> - most US voters cannot place the US on a world map.

Who cares whether they can or not ?

> - most cannot give the population of the US within a factor of 2

Who cares whether they can or not ?

> - most cannot state US GDP within a factor of 5 etc.

Who cares whether they can or not ?

None of those are what voting is about.

That fool Foster cant even manage the MUCH simpler stuff.
Keeps rabitting on about 'taking in each others washing' and
hasnt even noticed that modern first world economys are all
about services, stuff like heath care, education etc etc etc,
not washing. We've got funky washing machine thingos for that.

> Since then I have had a lot more sympathy with politicians who lie.

I dont believe they lie much except about stuff like whether they
will ever challenge the current monkey at the top of their party
etc or which of the top monkeys they plan to vote for etc.

> I seriously wonder if it is possible to tell the truth and to be comprehended.

And then there is the MUCH more fundamental question
of just what IS the 'truth' with stuff like the GST.

I believe that little Johnny even lied about the GST
with his 'never ever' line. It was just an off the cuff very
superficial reaction that he changed his mind on later.

Pointless having a bonehead who wont ever change his mind.

> For a person of even average intelligence
> the political debate is insultingly simplistic.

Yep, particularly the mindless media rabitting
on about 'children overboard' or WMD when what
matters is that the absolute vast bulk of the voters
dont think that those who choose to try to jump the
queue in boats should be allowed into this country.

> But remember that the people they are trying to reach are the
> same people who determine the intellectual level of television.

Who mostly take no notice of anything any polly ever says anyway.
What they care about is MUCH more basic stuff like whether they still
have a job, how hard their kids are finding it to get jobs etc etc etc.

THATS why Keating got the bums rush. Nothing
to do with what any polly said about anything.

Rod Speed
July 23rd 03, 09:02 PM
ffd > wrote in message
u...
> Rod Speed > wrote
>> ffd > wrote
>>> Rod Speed > wrote
>>>> Dr.Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
>>>>> ffd > wrote

>>>>>>>>>> right now you must be posting from the USA.

>>>>>>>>> Guess again.

>>>>>>>> Australia?

>>>>>> Reading through the newsgroup header shows
>>>>>> Rod is posting to a news server in aus @ iinet

>> Nope.

> Watch out or your nose will grow longer!

The one you commented on wasnt.

>>>>>> therefore he is in aus unless he is some brilliant hacker!

>> Dont have to be anything like 'brilliant' to fake that stuff up.

> That is true, case in point

Wrong again. There is no header faking at all.

>>>>> Yah I saw that he was posting from Aus! But he's not australian.

>>>> Wrong again.

>>> What is wrong?

>> The last one. Thats why I broke his original there.

>>> Not Aus or not posting from Aus?

>> Not Aus is wrong.

>>> I see that there is a German Uni as part of the hop.

>> Thats just the news server.

>>> It seems a bit odd that iinet would send their traffic that way

>> They dont.

>>> but I guess anything is possible.
>>> Maybe Rod is a brilliant hacker??

>> Or maybe you two dont actually have a clue about the basics.

> You are correct so lets have a look

> Many items within the news header can be changed
> though the NNTP-Posting-Host is a hard one to fake
> since it is captured by the news server.

Easily done by being selective about the news server.

> Having a look through a couple of the post we see that it
> is always m027-237.nv.iinet.net.au or 203.217.27.237. As
> we know this is the address of the person inserting the item.

You 'know' nothing of the sort. Thats trivial to fake.

> If we do an nslookup on 203.217.27.237 we
> get m027-237.nv.iinet.net.au therefore we
> know that this address is in the routing table.

Doesnt mean it was posted from there tho.

> As we know the Path: can contain info about where the message
> started but this can be changed without too much effort.

Duh.

> Having a look at this Path:
> news.optusnet.com.au!spool01.syd.optusnet.com.au!s pool.optusnet.com.au!
> news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mel.connect.com.au!n ews.netspace.net.au!
> newsfeed.iinet.net.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!freene ws.iinet.net.au!not-for-mail
> seems ok and supports the NNTP-Posting-Address.

Pity about the others which are nothing like that.

> It flows through the same chain as one would
> expect. Some of the others look a bit odd in the
> post's so they are of no use in this exercise.

Wrong, its those that expose your original pig ignorance.

> Looking over other Rod Speed headers shows nothing odd in the
> format ie if the headers were fake they would always be the same.

Mindlessly superficial. Only an idiot faker would be that stupid.

> This indicates that the headers for the most part are not fake

Nope, 'indicates' nothing of the sort in fact.

> though there is a question mark over the Path in some cases.

No question mark over your pig ignorance of the basics.

> I do not think you would be smart enough to add a random
> element therfore they are normal replies to items.

More utterly mindless pig ignorance flaunted.

> Conclusion: Well I have learnt a bit more about NNTP
> (Thanks Rod!) and that he has either hijacked that ip
> address at iinet (I am sure they would be interested in knowing)

Taint 'hijack' to fake that up in the header, stupid.

> or he is on adsl at iinet in aus or maybe he does
> work for the CIA or he could be a script kiddie!

> The mystery continues....................................

No mystery about your pig ignorance.

Rod Speed
July 23rd 03, 09:05 PM
Tim Josling >
wrote in message ...
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> Tim Josling > wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Tim Josling > wrote

>>>>> There is plenty of research that suggests a susceptibility
>>>>> to drug dependence has a strong genetic factor.

>>> These date are from: Noble, E.P., P.J. Sheridan, A. Montgomery,
>>> T. Ritchie, P. Jagadeeswaran, H. Nogami, A.H. Briggs, and J.B.
>>> Cohn. 1990. "Allelic association of the D2 dopamine receptor
>>> gene in alcoholism." Journal of the American Medical Association

>> Hardly qualifys a major peer revewied medical journal.

>> Three guesses why a higher quality peer
>> reviewed medical journal didnt publish it.

> The JAMA is one of the world's top three peer reviewed journals.

Bull****.

> You obviously have no familiarity with
> medical research or you would know that.

Even you should be able to bull**** your way out
of your predicament better than that pathetic effort.

> The quotes I provided were only one set of such studies referred
> to in one book. Have a look on biomednet for lots lots more.

Pity its NOTHING like as black and white as you originally claimed.

You wildly exaggerated what has actually
been established with rigorous science.

Tim Josling
July 23rd 03, 11:28 PM
B J Foster wrote:
>
> I see your point, but as soon as we accept bull**** from politicians, we
> abdicate our decision making.
>
> Even chimps should have a choice. Don't you agree, Rod?
>

Well you can try and read between the lines. Look at what they do not
what they say and try and reverse engineer what they are on about.

What would be good would be a side channel whereby politicians could
communicate with people who are capable of understanding the issues. But
as far as I can tell it does not exist. For example members of political
parties are fed the same BS as the general public.

Tim Josling

Tim Josling
July 23rd 03, 11:41 PM
Dr.Stephen GoldenGun wrote:
>
> FFDS if HotRod was a kiddie he wouldnot have the replies, hackers maybe
> clever in one respect, but they spend too much time gawping at computers to
> have a grasp of the world that he does...he's not a kiddie and he aint a
> hacky....
>
> If it was straight forward, then why can't you work out where he's from? I
> mean, I'm impressed you obvoiusly know the business, but I thought it is
> quite easy to find out which country at least someone posts from? So what
> I'm asking is what is "mysterious" about hotrods poasts?
>
>>
>
>

Rod has been trolling BBSs and later newsgroups since the days of
fidonet. This puts a floor on his age. I would also suggest it takes
time to become as much of a sad case as Rod.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22rod+speed%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=a88sme%24ajr%240%40206.25.50.80&rnum=1

http://www.sensationbot.com/chat-rodspeed.html

In the end. while Rod knows more than nothing, he pretends to know far
more than he knows, and he basically uses usenet for one purpose: to
waste other people's time.

From his posts he does seem to be Australian. He displays a certain
awareness of local politics, media and history and he seems to post from
an Oz ISP.

Tim Josling

Rod Speed
July 23rd 03, 11:45 PM
Tim Josling >
wrote in message ...

>> I see your point, but as soon as we accept bull****
>> from politicians, we abdicate our decision making.

> Well you can try and read between the lines. Look at what they do not
> what they say and try and reverse engineer what they are on about.

> What would be good would be a side channel whereby politicians could
> communicate with people who are capable of understanding the issues.

That's there. Programs like LateLine.

> But as far as I can tell it does not exist.

More fool you.

> For example members of political parties
> are fed the same BS as the general public.

Thats flagrantly dishonest. Little Johnny laid it on the line with the
GST, what was proposed, what would be done to make it hard
for the states to just jack up the rate up over time, etc etc etc.

Corse plenty of mindless fools are oh so sure
that they're being lied to when they aint, too.

The 'real' reason for the recent Solomons assistance
is really just so little Johnny can big note himself eh ?

B J Foster
July 24th 03, 12:40 AM
Tim Josling wrote:
> Tim Josling wrote:
>
>> Rod has been trolling BBSs and later newsgroups since the days of
>> fidonet. This puts a floor on his age. I would also suggest it takes
>> time to become as much of a sad case as Rod.
>
>
> We can see from this one he has been posting for at least 10 years. The
> style has not changed that much.
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=rod+speed+%22rod+speed%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=23&as_maxm=7&as_maxy=1994&selm=9312060850.AA327795%40f170.n771.z3.fidonet.or g&rnum=3
>
>
> Tim Josling
>

AI systems have typically overpromised and underdelivered

Dr.Stephen GoldenGun
July 24th 03, 12:42 AM
Tim Josling > wrote in message
...
> Tim Josling wrote:
> > Rod has been trolling BBSs and later newsgroups since the days of
> > fidonet. This puts a floor on his age. I would also suggest it takes
> > time to become as much of a sad case as Rod.
>
> We can see from this one he has been posting for at least 10 years. The
> style has not changed that much.
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=rod+speed+%22rod+speed%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF
-8&oe=UTF-8&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=23&as_maxm=7
&as_maxy=1994&selm=9312060850.AA327795%40f170.n771.z3.fidonet.or g&rnum=3
>
> Tim Josling
>

Tim, since I have started to post on the "wild west of the usenet forums" eg
uk.legal..where only the tough survive.....I have become aware of a whole
host of famous "folklaw" type usnet characters.

I am obviousy talking to a "legend" the posts are amazing..their are
thousands of them all about Rod Speed!!!!!


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Rod Speed
July 24th 03, 12:53 AM
Tim Josling >
wrote in message ...

> The style has not changed that much.

Neither has yours, fool.

ffd
July 24th 03, 02:12 AM
"Rod Speed" > wrote in message
...
>
> ffd > wrote in message
> u...
> > Rod Speed > wrote
> >> ffd > wrote
> >>> Rod Speed > wrote
> >>>> Dr.Stephen GoldenGun > wrote
> >>>>> ffd > wrote
>
> >>>>>>>>>> right now you must be posting from the USA.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Guess again.
>
> >>>>>>>> Australia?
>
> >>>>>> Reading through the newsgroup header shows
> >>>>>> Rod is posting to a news server in aus @ iinet
>
> >> Nope.
>
> > Watch out or your nose will grow longer!
>
> The one you commented on wasnt.
>

Missed the point completly

> >>>>>> therefore he is in aus unless he is some brilliant hacker!
>
> >> Dont have to be anything like 'brilliant' to fake that stuff up.
>
> > That is true, case in point
>
> Wrong again. There is no header faking at all.
>

I guess that one passed you by as well

> >>>>> Yah I saw that he was posting from Aus! But he's not australian.
>
> >>>> Wrong again.
>
> >>> What is wrong?
>
> >> The last one. Thats why I broke his original there.
>
> >>> Not Aus or not posting from Aus?
>
> >> Not Aus is wrong.
>
> >>> I see that there is a German Uni as part of the hop.
>
> >> Thats just the news server.
>
> >>> It seems a bit odd that iinet would send their traffic that way
>
> >> They dont.
>
> >>> but I guess anything is possible.
> >>> Maybe Rod is a brilliant hacker??
>
> >> Or maybe you two dont actually have a clue about the basics.
>
> > You are correct so lets have a look
>
> > Many items within the news header can be changed
> > though the NNTP-Posting-Host is a hard one to fake
> > since it is captured by the news server.
>
> Easily done by being selective about the news server.
>

Your address will not change though you maybe be posting to a different news
server

> > Having a look through a couple of the post we see that it
> > is always m027-237.nv.iinet.net.au or 203.217.27.237. As
> > we know this is the address of the person inserting the item.
>
> You 'know' nothing of the sort. Thats trivial to fake.
>

Really. If so create a post with the ip address of 203.1.91.5

> > If we do an nslookup on 203.217.27.237 we
> > get m027-237.nv.iinet.net.au therefore we
> > know that this address is in the routing table.
>
> Doesnt mean it was posted from there tho.
>

Duh..

> > As we know the Path: can contain info about where the message
> > started but this can be changed without too much effort.
>
> Duh.
>
> > Having a look at this Path:
> > news.optusnet.com.au!spool01.syd.optusnet.com.au!s pool.optusnet.com.au!
> > news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mel.connect.com.au!n ews.netspace.net.au!
> >
newsfeed.iinet.net.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!freene ws.iinet.net.au!not-for-ma
il
> > seems ok and supports the NNTP-Posting-Address.
>
> Pity about the others which are nothing like that.
>

Because you change news servers.

> > It flows through the same chain as one would
> > expect. Some of the others look a bit odd in the
> > post's so they are of no use in this exercise.
>
> Wrong, its those that expose your original pig ignorance.
>

I stand corrected

> > Looking over other Rod Speed headers shows nothing odd in the
> > format ie if the headers were fake they would always be the same.
>
> Mindlessly superficial. Only an idiot faker would be that stupid.
>

Correct

> > This indicates that the headers for the most part are not fake
>
> Nope, 'indicates' nothing of the sort in fact.
>
> > though there is a question mark over the Path in some cases.
>
> No question mark over your pig ignorance of the basics.

I stand corrected

>
> > I do not think you would be smart enough to add a random
> > element therfore they are normal replies to items.
>
> More utterly mindless pig ignorance flaunted.

Thanks for the encouragement

>
> > Conclusion: Well I have learnt a bit more about NNTP
> > (Thanks Rod!) and that he has either hijacked that ip
> > address at iinet (I am sure they would be interested in knowing)
>
> Taint 'hijack' to fake that up in the header, stupid.

So you will not mind if I inform iinet

>
> > or he is on adsl at iinet in aus or maybe he does
> > work for the CIA or he could be a script kiddie!
>
> > The mystery continues....................................
>
> No mystery about your pig ignorance.
>

How quaint!

Xylord
July 24th 03, 02:14 AM
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:42:18 +0100, "Dr.Stephen GoldenGun"
> wrote:
>
>I am obviousy talking to a "legend" the posts are amazing..their are
>thousands of them all about Rod Speed!!!!!

Goes to show that people can't resist their urge
to respond to drivel and fail to use the reliable remedy:
Don't feed the trolls!

regards Xylord

B J Foster
July 24th 03, 02:54 AM
Rod Speed wrote:
> "B J Foster" > wrote in message ...
>
<snip>
>
>>which in turn undermines the democracy
>>which we are supposedly defending.
>
>
> Completely off with the fairys now. ALL voters
> suspect polly's motives, fool. And democracy
> works better than all the other alternatives anyway <---[1]
>
<snip>
>
>
>>I don't accept that anyone's vote has more value than anyone else's.
>
>
> More fool you <---[2]
>
> Reams of your puerile **** flushed where it belongs.
>
>

Hard as it might be to swallow, Rod Speed's vote is no less 'worth' than
yours or mine - Of course, I'm assuming that he's a primate at the same
stage on the evolutionary road

Rod Speed
July 24th 03, 03:42 AM
Some desperate ****** claiming to be
B J Foster > wrote in message
...
just the desperate wanking thats all it can ever manage.

B J Foster
July 24th 03, 04:34 AM
Rod Speed wrote:
> Some desperate ****** claiming to be
> B J Foster > wrote in message
> ...
> just the desperate wanking thats all it can ever manage.
>
>
>
>

In case you need help:
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_700109.html

Rod Speed
July 24th 03, 04:56 AM
Some desperate ****** claiming to be
B J Foster > wrote in message
...
just the puerile desperate wanking thats all it can ever manage.

Rod Speed
July 24th 03, 08:34 AM
Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
ffd > wrote in message
u...
just what you'd expect from a desperately cowering
gutless ****wit thats got done like a dinner, as always.

ffd
July 24th 03, 08:54 AM
"Rod Speed" > wrote in message
. au...
> Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
> ffd > wrote in message
> u...
> just what you'd expect from a desperately cowering
> gutless ****wit thats got done like a dinner, as always.
>

Who is hiding? I am not the one trying to pathetically mask who I am by
logging into different news servers

As expected, pathetic and boring.

[Insert new abuse here]

ffd
July 24th 03, 08:57 AM
"Xylord" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:42:18 +0100, "Dr.Stephen GoldenGun"
> > wrote:
> >
> >I am obviousy talking to a "legend" the posts are amazing..their are
> >thousands of them all about Rod Speed!!!!!
>
> Goes to show that people can't resist their urge
> to respond to drivel and fail to use the reliable remedy:
> Don't feed the trolls!
>
> regards Xylord

But it is always fun to wind up a troll and watch them run!

Rod Speed
July 24th 03, 09:27 AM
"ffd" > wrote in message u...
>
> "Xylord" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:42:18 +0100, "Dr.Stephen GoldenGun"
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >I am obviousy talking to a "legend" the posts are amazing..their are
> > >thousands of them all about Rod Speed!!!!!
> >
> > Goes to show that people can't resist their urge
> > to respond to drivel and fail to use the reliable remedy:
> > Don't feed the trolls!
> >
> > regards Xylord
>
> But it is always fun to wind up a troll and watch them run!

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

You're the pathetic little gutless ****wit wound up as tight as a fish's arsehole.

ffd
July 24th 03, 10:47 AM
"Rod Speed" > wrote in message
...
>
> "ffd" > wrote in message
u...
> >
> > "Xylord" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:42:18 +0100, "Dr.Stephen GoldenGun"
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >I am obviousy talking to a "legend" the posts are amazing..their are
> > > >thousands of them all about Rod Speed!!!!!
> > >
> > > Goes to show that people can't resist their urge
> > > to respond to drivel and fail to use the reliable remedy:
> > > Don't feed the trolls!
> > >
> > > regards Xylord
> >
> > But it is always fun to wind up a troll and watch them run!
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
>
> You're the pathetic little gutless ****wit wound up as tight as a fish's
arsehole.
>
>

To be honest I have no idea about the elasticity of fish anatomy but sounds
like your quite the expert in that as well. I guess your private time is
your own

[Insert boring no imagination heard it before abuse here]

Xylord
July 24th 03, 03:20 PM
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 06:17:04 GMT, wrote:
>
>Lets face it - he is unique - a LEDEND!!!!!!!!!!
>

Maybe you are more easily pleased but
he bores the **** out of me. ;-(
Killfiled him ages ago but the responses of
others to and about him are similarly boring
and stuff up a good newsgroup.

regards Xylord

Rod Speed
July 24th 03, 08:34 PM
Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
ffd > wrote in message
u...
just what you'd expect from a desperately cowering
gutless ****wit thats got done like a dinner, as always.

Rod Speed
July 24th 03, 08:36 PM
Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
ffd > wrote in message
u...
just what you'd expect from a desperately cowering
gutless ****wit thats got done like a dinner, as always.

July 24th 03, 09:23 PM
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:20:46 GMT, Xylord > wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 06:17:04 GMT, wrote:
>>
>>Lets face it - he is unique - a LEDEND!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>
>Maybe you are more easily pleased but
>he bores the **** out of me. ;-(
>Killfiled him ages ago but the responses of
>others to and about him are similarly boring
>and stuff up a good newsgroup.
>
> regards Xylord

Like your message, eh. ;)

Trevor S
July 24th 03, 11:37 PM
"Rod Speed" > wrote in news:[email protected]
69072.news.uni-berlin.de:

<snip>

> thats got done like a dinner, as always.

Should that not be, "that's been done like a dinner" ?

--
Trevor S


"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
-Albert Einstein

Rod Speed
July 24th 03, 11:45 PM
Trevor S > wrote in message
...
> Rod Speed > wrote

>> thats got done like a dinner, as always.

> Should that not be, "that's been done like a dinner" ?

Nope.

B J Foster
July 25th 03, 01:24 AM
Tim Josling wrote:
> Dr.Stephen GoldenGun wrote:
>
>> HI Arthur,
>>
>> I can only speak as I find, on usenet their seems to be all types,
>> however,
>> I found Rod to be entertaining, intelligent, and good fun to chat with..
>> I think its only people who take his responses the wrong way get
>> uptight...as for me I never had any problems and no way is Rod a troll...
>>
>> It is an excuse people use if they can't think of anything to say, but
>> just
>> don't like someones postings....anyway the point he has fans! And is a
>> legend as you say.
>
>
> His postings are not entirely information free. But there is a high
> percentage of mindless insults and useless "ain't so" type responses.
>
> Also, he comments on things that he does not know anything about with
> equal conviction to those areas he does seem to know something about, so
> you cannot use anything he says.
>
> All in all the signal to noise ratio is too low.
>
> Tim Josling
>

Enough noise can dampen a singularity

Cuthbert HigginBottom
July 25th 03, 01:25 AM
Tim Josling > wrote in message
...
> Dr.Stephen GoldenGun wrote:
> > HI Arthur,
> >
> > I can only speak as I find, on usenet their seems to be all types,
however,
> > I found Rod to be entertaining, intelligent, and good fun to chat with..
> > I think its only people who take his responses the wrong way get
> > uptight...as for me I never had any problems and no way is Rod a
troll...
> >
> > It is an excuse people use if they can't think of anything to say, but
just
> > don't like someones postings....anyway the point he has fans! And is a
> > legend as you say.
>
> His postings are not entirely information free. But there is a high
> percentage of mindless insults and useless "ain't so" type responses.

Usenet seems an interesting place, I agree that their is alot of unecessary
rudeness, and for some people the usenet brings out their worse colours.
>
> Also, he comments on things that he does not know anything about with
> equal conviction to those areas he does seem to know something about, so
> you cannot use anything he says.
>
> All in all the signal to noise ratio is too low.
>
> Tim Josling
>


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July 25th 03, 01:53 AM
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:24:26 +1000, B J Foster > wrote:

>
>
>Tim Josling wrote:
>> Dr.Stephen GoldenGun wrote:
>>
>>> HI Arthur,
>>>
>>> I can only speak as I find, on usenet their seems to be all types,
>>> however,
>>> I found Rod to be entertaining, intelligent, and good fun to chat with..
>>> I think its only people who take his responses the wrong way get
>>> uptight...as for me I never had any problems and no way is Rod a troll...
>>>
>>> It is an excuse people use if they can't think of anything to say, but
>>> just
>>> don't like someones postings....anyway the point he has fans! And is a
>>> legend as you say.
>>
>>
>> His postings are not entirely information free. But there is a high
>> percentage of mindless insults and useless "ain't so" type responses.
>>
>> Also, he comments on things that he does not know anything about with
>> equal conviction to those areas he does seem to know something about, so
>> you cannot use anything he says.
>>
>> All in all the signal to noise ratio is too low.
>>
>> Tim Josling
>>
>
>Enough noise can dampen a singularity

You should talk!

You're the moron that averages down whenever you make a bad entry decision - and
encourage others to do likewise.

Another year and your TLS should almost be up to your average entry price.

July 25th 03, 01:54 AM
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 01:25:37 +0100, "Cuthbert HigginBottom" >
wrote:

>
>Tim Josling > wrote in message
...
>> Dr.Stephen GoldenGun wrote:
>> > HI Arthur,
>> >
>> > I can only speak as I find, on usenet their seems to be all types,
>however,
>> > I found Rod to be entertaining, intelligent, and good fun to chat with..
>> > I think its only people who take his responses the wrong way get
>> > uptight...as for me I never had any problems and no way is Rod a
>troll...
>> >
>> > It is an excuse people use if they can't think of anything to say, but
>just
>> > don't like someones postings....anyway the point he has fans! And is a
>> > legend as you say.
>>
>> His postings are not entirely information free. But there is a high
>> percentage of mindless insults and useless "ain't so" type responses.
>
>Usenet seems an interesting place, I agree that their is alot of unecessary
>rudeness, and for some people the usenet brings out their worse colours.

Maybe you should subscribe to alt.bleedinghearts!

Rod Speed
July 25th 03, 02:37 AM
Some pathetic ****** claiming to be
Tim Josling >
wrote in message ...
just the puerile posturing **** thats all it can ever manage.

Dr. James S. GoldenGun
July 25th 03, 02:39 AM
Rod Speed > wrote in message
...
> Some pathetic ****** claiming to be
> Tim Josling >
> wrote in message ...
> just the puerile posturing **** thats all it can ever manage.
>

I speak as I find mate, and I found you interesting to discuss things with
and yah, Ican see why some people say they get enjoyment and entertainment
also.

Good on ya
>


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B J Foster
July 25th 03, 02:59 AM
"The 900-page congressional commission report presents a chronology of
ignored warnings and other signs not shared by the FBI and CIA in the
months preceding the terrorist attacks.
....
'President Bush needs to declassify parts of the congressional report
that detail Saudi government involvement in the events leading up to the
9-11 terrorist attacks', said Representative Eliot Engel in a statement.

'It is time to lift the veil of secrecy involving possible Saudi
complicity in the events of 9-11', he said.

Engel said the report contains information that 'an alleged Saudi agent'
who attended a meeting at the Saudi consulate in the Los Angeles area,
'then went directly to a restaurant to meet two 9-11 hijackers' the New
York Democrat".
(http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/07/25/1059084182360.html)

Tricky problem:
What do you do when you find out that your business partner raped your
12 yo daughter?


B J Foster wrote:
>
>
> B J Foster wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>> "B J Foster" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Presumably the intelligence got it wrong, particularly the most
>>>>>>> unlikely claims that they could deliver stuff in 45 minutes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only a fool is stupid enough to expect that intelligence will
>>>>>>> always be perfect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like they 'got wrong' official warnings from no
>>>>>> less than SEVEN other countries about 9-11?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> There were no 'official warnings' from any country
>>>>> that something like that was likely to happen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> UK, Germany, France, Israel, Morocco, Russia.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lie. You cant cite even a single one of those that
>>> issued any 'official warning' that both of the WTC
>>> towers were going to be turned into rubble.
>>>
>>> There wasnt even a single 'official warning' from
>>> anyone that flying a commercial jetliner into one of
>>> those towers would produce a result like that either.
>>>
>>
>> 26 July 2001
>> "Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend
>> trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet,
>> reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.
>>
>> In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling
>> exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the
>> Justice Department cited what it called a 'threat assessment' by the
>> FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet
>> for the remainder of his term.
>>
>> 'There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting
>> under the guidelines', an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the
>> Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it
>> was detected or who made it".
>> (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml)
>>
>
>
> "July 21, 2003 -- A clueless FBI missed the chance to uncover the 9/11
> plot by failing to aggressively probe evidence that two of the hijackers
> were living in the San Diego home of a bureau informant, a blockbuster
> congressional report says.
>
> The 911-page report, due to be released this week, also contains
> explosive new evidence suggesting a key associate of the two men may
> have been a Saudi government agent, Newsweek says".
> (http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/1118.htm)
>

Xylord
July 25th 03, 03:31 AM
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:24:26 +1000, B J Foster >
wrote:

>Enough noise can dampen a singularity

And no response will silence the noise.
I recommend a good kill filter.

regards Xylord

Rod Speed
July 25th 03, 04:11 AM
Dr. James S. GoldenGun > wrote in
message ...
> Rod Speed > wrote

> HI Rod, nice to know I'm talking to a "legend">

Hilarious watching the pathetic little children
not being able to control themselves |-)

george
July 25th 03, 04:52 AM
"Robert McClelland" > wrote in message
>
> You forgot to mention that he's emptying America's pockets to pay off
his
> friends.
>
> HTH

That too.
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ffd
July 25th 03, 05:03 AM
"Rod Speed" > wrote in message
...
>
> Dr. James S. GoldenGun > wrote in
> message ...
> > Rod Speed > wrote
>
> > HI Rod, nice to know I'm talking to a "legend">
>
> Hilarious watching the pathetic little children
> not being able to control themselves |-)
>

Rod, I did not know you were also interested in watching little kids. Is
this something else we should be concerned about along with the fish fetish?

[Insert "something interesting this time" abuse]

Rod Speed
July 25th 03, 05:33 AM
Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
ffd > wrote in message
u...
just what you'd expect from a desperately cowering
gutless ****wit thats got done like a dinner, as always.

Dr. James S. GoldenGun
July 25th 03, 07:46 AM
ffd > wrote in message
u...
>
> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Dr. James S. GoldenGun > wrote in
> > message ...
> > > Rod Speed > wrote
> >
> > > HI Rod, nice to know I'm talking to a "legend">
> >
> > Hilarious watching the pathetic little children
> > not being able to control themselves |-)
> >
>
> Rod, I did not know you were also interested in watching little kids. Is
> this something else we should be concerned about along with the fish
fetish?
>
> [Insert "something interesting this time" abuse]

FFD are you not displaying the activities of a "troll"?
>
>


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Rod Speed
July 25th 03, 09:27 AM
Dr. James S. GoldenGun > wrote in
message ...
> Rod Speed > wrote
>> Dr. James S. GoldenGun > wrote
>>> Rod Speed > wrote

>>> HI Rod, nice to know I'm talking to a "legend">

>> Hilarious watching the pathetic little children
>> not being able to control themselves |-)

> Rod, yeah, is'nt it funny how just by talking to
> someone else, others allways seem to have to not
> be able to stop giving their tuppeny hapeniesworth.

In spades with the silly little children who have
been done over very comprehensively indeed |-)

What's even more hilarious is how those pathetic little creatures
who's sites are quoted are still desperately licking their wounds
DECADES after they have been done like a dinner.

Peter Saxton
July 26th 03, 01:45 AM
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 01:25:37 +0100, "Cuthbert HigginBottom"
> wrote:

>
>Tim Josling > wrote in message
...
>> Dr.Stephen GoldenGun wrote:
>> > HI Arthur,
>> >
>> > I can only speak as I find, on usenet their seems to be all types,
>however,
>> > I found Rod to be entertaining, intelligent, and good fun to chat with..
>> > I think its only people who take his responses the wrong way get
>> > uptight...as for me I never had any problems and no way is Rod a
>troll...
>> >
>> > It is an excuse people use if they can't think of anything to say, but
>just
>> > don't like someones postings....anyway the point he has fans! And is a
>> > legend as you say.
>>
>> His postings are not entirely information free. But there is a high
>> percentage of mindless insults and useless "ain't so" type responses.
>
>Usenet seems an interesting place, I agree that their is alot of unecessary
>rudeness, and for some people the usenet brings out their worse colours.
>>
>> Also, he comments on things that he does not know anything about with
>> equal conviction to those areas he does seem to know something about, so
>> you cannot use anything he says.
>>
>> All in all the signal to noise ratio is too low.
>>
>> Tim Josling
>>
>
>
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There's Golden Gun!


Peter Saxton from London

B J Foster
July 29th 03, 12:59 PM
"I know this is kind of late, but: Sorry"
(Tony Blair, British prime minister, on the 1814 burning of Library of
Congress books by British troops)

Very subtle, Mr Blair, shall we wait until 2203 for history to forgive
us for the 5-fold increase in heroin coming out of Afghanistan?


B J Foster wrote:
> Newscorp: "History will prove us right"
> (http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6775776%255E401,00.html)
>
> Bliar: "History will forgive us"
> (http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/archive/18-7-19103-1-17-53.html)
>
> Okay, so let's assume that it will. Why? And why did Mr Bliar feel it
> necessary to lie to the public? Are we defending democracy by
> undermining democracy?
>
>
> Another Bliar special:
> "The arms the Taliban are buying today are paid for with the lives of
> young British people buying their drugs on British streets. That is
> another part of their regime that we should seek to destroy"
> (Tony Blair, 2-Oct 2001)
>
>
> HOW WILL HISTORY JUDGE THIS MR BLIAR?
>
> "Heroin surge looming
>
> POLICE whistleblower Tim Priest has warned that Sydney's heroin drought
> is set to end and authorities are unprepared to deal with it. Speaking
> before a Federal Parliamentary Inquiry into Crime in Australia, Mr
> Priest said that favourable climate changes and the end of the war in
> Afghanistan had led to heroin production increasing by 100 per cent".
> (http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5262036%255E1702,00.html)
>
> "Hundreds of kilos of heroin are being manufactured each week by
> factories recently set up in eastern Afghanistan, prompting fears of a
> new influx of high-quality, easily transportable drugs into
> Europe".
> (http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,772742,00.html)
>
> "...the so-called heroin drought Australia has been in since September
> last year - a shortage that has also seen the number of deaths from
> heroin overdoses, fall dramatically.
> ...
> But in Sydney, drug counsellors are reporting that after almost a year,
> heroin is coming back. That's been confirmed by David Murray, from
> Victoria's Youth substance Abuse Service".
> (http://www.abc.net.au/am/s645197.htm)
>

The Michael
August 1st 03, 08:24 PM
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:59:44 +1000, B J Foster > wrote:

>"I know this is kind of late, but: Sorry"
>(Tony Blair, British prime minister, on the 1814 burning of Library of
>Congress books by British troops)
>
>Very subtle, Mr Blair, shall we wait until 2203 for history to forgive
>us for the 5-fold increase in heroin coming out of Afghanistan?

I am sure it will. Heroin will probably be everywhere and pretty much free; no one
will even know about stuff like history. All remaining communities will also have
plenty of WMD and will use them freely in an effort to preempt attacks on themselves
or whatever.

The complete library of congress will be in a storage lockers on video storage discs,
but unfortunately will have largely melted.
--
Mike